News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Simone Giertz – Back from brain surgery [video] by slg on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:45AM (#17567377)
And if you live in the US and don't have good medical insurance the entire thing might leave you bankrupt and homeless. The ingenuity of humanity is amazing, but we still seem to get in our own ways a lot.
Re:Simone Giertz – Back from brain surgery [video] by gregpilling on Thursday July 19, 2018 @06:32PM (#17570926)
My son had brain surgery when he was 6. He is now 14. The helicopter ride of 100 miles to the brain center was $25,000 and the brain surgery was $46,000. The helicopter ride took 1 hour and used 2 people. The brain surgery was 6 hours and involved at least 3 surgeons, plus unknown number of support staff. Insurance was willing to cover the surgery, but we had to fight for 6 months for the helicopter ride.

To quote the lead surgeon during the 6 month follow up - "I stopped looking at what we billed, and what I got paid years ago. It never made any sense to me, so I focused on the patient outcome, which did make sense to me". Great human, saved my kids life, was totally supportive afterwards and stayed in touch for a few years.

Medical practices in the USA makes no sense to me. I am Canadian.

Relevant to Simone, I have a friend who had the same problem and actually went to the same surgeon for the problem, but 5 years earlier. My son was recovered in a few days, she spent 6 months in the hospital to recover. The change was a new technique. They fixed my son through his leg, my friend had her skull removed and replaced.

Humanity can do awesome things sometimes. Sometimes great, sometimes horrid.

Re:Simone Giertz – Back from brain surgery [video] by outworlder on Thursday July 19, 2018 @04:21PM (#17569895)
You are still alive though, if it's any consolation.

Now, many countries have this problem solved – for now. As the population ages, the solutions may have to change everywhere.

What I find interesting is that the discussion is almost never framed to address the actual issue: the medical industry in the US simply overcharges with impunity. I was shocked to discover that labor (as in, doctors) isn't even the biggest line item in many (most?) medical bills. Hospitals and clinics will simply crank the bill sky high and then have you or the insurance try to haggle it back down, sometimes at a 3 or 4 digits percentage difference. It's insane. There's also zero transparency on pricing, so it is difficult to shop around even if you have the time.

Re:Simone Giertz – Back from brain surgery [video] by monetus on Thursday July 19, 2018 @05:12PM (#17570327)
Your points summarize the thrust of the first in a series of propublica articles.

https://www.propublica.org/article/why-your-health-insurer-d...

Re:Simone Giertz – Back from brain surgery [video] by um_ya on Thursday July 19, 2018 @03:10PM (#17569398)
The biggest expense to doctors is the cost of getting sued all the time and the insurance doctors need to cover that.
Re:Simone Giertz – Back from brain surgery [video] by spamizbad on Thursday July 19, 2018 @03:31PM (#17569540)
Costs associated with medical malpractice account for just 2.4% of healthcare spending in the United States.

Source: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/medical-liabili...

Re:Simone Giertz – Back from brain surgery [video] by slg on Thursday July 19, 2018 @03:52PM (#17569686)
That isn't addressing um_ya's point because doctors are just a part of the overall healthcare industry but bear the brunt of the malpractice costs. This is just one small piece of a broken healthcare system, but how we handle malpractice in this country is certainly broken. Fixing it wouldn't resolve all our problems, but it would definitely help.
Re:Simone Giertz – Back from brain surgery [video] by spamizbad on Thursday July 19, 2018 @04:31PM (#17569985)
I don't think it's broken at all. Tort law, in general, is what we use as an alternative to more aggressive regulation. You remove tort options, the side-effect will just be more regulatory measures.
Re:Simone Giertz – Back from brain surgery [video] by slg on Thursday July 19, 2018 @05:25PM (#17570429)
Imagine a world in which a software developer was held personally liable for any work they did.

First off, this would kill of a huge part of the open source community (the free as in beer software would all disappear). Employee contracts might be structured in such a way that the employee is responsible for any potential liability. Any customer who felt wronged could sue the individual developer who wrote that code.

These lawsuits would then be decided by a jury of people who know nothing about software development. One of the biggest deciding factors in that case would be who could hire the best lawyers and which lawyers could bring in the best "software experts" to explain why the developer did or did not make a mistake. Even if it was ruled that the developer did not make a mistake, they would be unlikely to ever be able to recoup their legal costs. Meanwhile the payouts from the cases in the customer's favor are so large, people are now incentivized to sue over a much wider range of possible mistakes.

These developers just need to accept that these lawsuits and the wasted time and stress that results from them is simply a part of their profession. Regardless of a developers skill, a majority of developers now won't be able to make it through a career without being sued at least once. Eventually the software developers turn to insurance which costs tens of thousands of dollars per year to protect them against these risks.

Would you think this is a fair system? Could you see that system having a negative effect on the software industry? Do you think this would push people out of the industry who might otherwise be great developers? Would this system, that is ostensibly designed to protect customers, actually result in a better level of service?

Re:Simone Giertz – Back from brain surgery [video] by spamizbad on Thursday July 19, 2018 @06:09PM (#17570774)
> Imagine a world in which a software developer was held personally liable for any work they did.

We already live in this world, it’s just that most software had zero impact on the wellbeing of individuals and/or its mostly licensed as-is.

Software with actual guarantees behind it tends to be very expensive. Their users have tort recourse.

Also major software companies get sued and settle on a fairy regular basis.

Re:Simone Giertz – Back from brain surgery [video] by slg on Thursday July 19, 2018 @06:29PM (#17570905)
>most software had zero impact on the wellbeing of individuals

I agree with the "most" designation, but there is still plenty of software that does have a direct impact.

>or its mostly licensed as-is.

Which is exactly my point. Most software comes with an agreement that limits the liability for the company or person who created or sold the software. Developers are able to hand waive away that legal liability in ways that other professions, specifically in the industry, are not able to.

>Software with actual guarantees behind it tends to be very expensive. Their users have tort recourse.

But that is dictated by the contract which sets standard that is above the legal bare minimum. The legal minimum is much higher for doctors.

>Also major software companies get sued and settle on a fairy regular basis.

I will admit my analogy isn't perfect because of the relatively high number of private practice doctors compared with the relatively lower number of smaller ISV developers. Doctors as a whole have a much higher exposure than software developers as a whole. That is why I noted that contracts might change if software malpractice cases really became a thing.

Re:Simone Giertz – Back from brain surgery [video] by gameswithgo on Thursday July 19, 2018 @05:42PM (#17570562)
We do live in a world where you can be sued for negligence in software or anything else.