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Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by vorpalhex on Thursday July 19, 2018 @09:45AM (#17566176)
> why the US is involved in the conflict there in the first place?

Active and believable threats directed at the US, including sending resources and fighters to actively engage the US. It'd be great if we could give just give Iraq a ring and ask them to go shove a boot up these folks other-sides, but since they're massively losing cities and land to these warlords, they're not really in a place to handle the situation themselves. Something about a terrorist group taking large swathes of your land, borderline enslaving your people into forced labor and selling the pretty ones as "wives" to be raped endlessly kind of makes it hard to function as a normal country.

> to what extent the US is really threatened by people on the other side of the planet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_li...

+ June 2016

+ November 2016

+ October 2017

Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by clouddrover on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:18AM (#17567104)
Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by lostmsu on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:26AM (#17567194)
Total or innocents?
Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by ahartmetz on Thursday July 19, 2018 @12:40PM (#17568025)
The guilty are citizens (and people) too, you know. Inalienable rights and all?
Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by pjc50 on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:22AM (#17566528)
I don't remember Iraq having quite such a problem with its territorial integrity before the US invaded, disbanded its army, and allowed its munitions dumps to be looted by anyone with a truck.

The June 2016 incident, the "Pulse" nightclub mass shooting, is a good case in point. The person involved wasn't "sent" to the US, he was a US-born national living in the US who'd never visited the middle East. He seems to have been radicalised by speech in the same way that other mass shooters were.

Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by boomboomsubban on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:01PM (#17571895)
>He seems to have been radicalised by speech in the same way that other mass shooters were.

During his calls to 911 he said directly that the US bombing campaigns in the Middle East led to his mass shooting. He seems to be a direct example of how backwards US policy is.

Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by mtgx on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:01AM (#17566335)
Those are like 1 incident per year. So the US spends billions in conflicts to prevent a handful of such incidents, which could even be considered relatively minor compared to the regular mass shootings in the US? Is it even preventing them or creating them when it's killing so many indiscriminately with drone strikes over there?

Could that money not be spent better elsewhere to prevent other types of deaths? I think the U.S. and American politicians accept increases in budgets to the military so easily, that they don't even think about whether or not those resources are used effectively anymore.

Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by vorpalhex on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:14AM (#17566438)
You spent thousands to be treated for cancer, despite only having one tumor a year? Clearly you should be spending that money on a gym membership instead...

It's hard to wage terrorist activities when you're fighting a literal multi-sided war.

Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by rorykoehler on Thursday July 19, 2018 @12:04PM (#17567587)
All the problems now faced by the US were created by the US. By continuing without acknowledging this there will no doubt be more similar future problems.
Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by acct1771 on Thursday July 19, 2018 @12:00PM (#17567541)
Especially when some sides of it have received your money and weapons....
Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by candiodari on Thursday July 19, 2018 @11:23AM (#17567163)
Plus there's the issue of how many terrorist attacks there would be if there was indeed no response.

We all know the answer to that one: we'd all be living under "amateur" Taliban, Mafias and worse anywhere near any large city, with constant public executions for "sacrilege" and for "competing" with the Mafia, and for ... There would be no international (or generally non-private) flights, and so on.

Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by moorhosj on Thursday July 19, 2018 @02:22PM (#17569016)
Your examples all occurred after we suspended individual liberties and spent untold fortunes and lives to stop it. Would you conclude that to be a successful strategy?
Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by trasz on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:12AM (#17566418)
How many Americans were harmed? How many innocent people got killed or injured by American response to those events?
Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by vorpalhex on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:17AM (#17566466)
What about the innocent people freed by the American response to those events? Or do Iraq citizens being raped and murdered not count? Do we include the tally for terrorist events in the UK, France and other allies as well?

"Oh hey, yeah, sorry that a terrorist group armed someone to shoot up a gay nightclub, we feel real bad about that, but we need at least a hundred more people killed before we can do anything."

Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by trasz on Thursday July 19, 2018 @10:31AM (#17566617)
That's also a good question. So, do we have any rough estimates?
Re:A Citizen Is Suing the US for Putting Him on the 'Kill List' by pjc50 on Thursday July 19, 2018 @12:00PM (#17567544)
> we need at least a hundred more people killed before we can do anything.

That's the usual response to white mass shooters in the US, yes. Especially in response to discussions of gun control.