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Re:Liberapay is in trouble by maeln on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @05:51AM (#17548509)
I guess their payment processor got sick of handling thousand of tiny payment and gave them a random excuse to boot them out asap.
Re:Liberapay is in trouble by espadrine on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @06:06AM (#17548556)
> Mangopay hasn’t provided a detailed explanation of their decision, so we’re not sure. We’ve tried to understand their concerns, they seemed related to the fact that Liberapay is open to everyone

Likelier: Liberapay’s KYC was insufficient.

Mangopay probably received a call from the regulator, and they realized that they could not ensure that Liberapay was not (unwittingly) letting people launder money or finance terrorism.

The AML/CFT requirements that would have needed to be applied by Liberapay to all its users would probably have caused such friction that they would have grown much slower, however.

Re:Liberapay is in trouble by wut42 on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @06:59AM (#17548750)
>Likelier: Liberapay’s KYC was insufficient.

No. They mirror one-on-one Mangopay's: https://docs.mangopay.com/guide/kyc https://liberapay.com/about/faq#maximum-amount

Re:Liberapay is in trouble by maeln on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @06:11AM (#17548573)
It is also a strong possibility but wouldn't Mangopay would have given some time for Librapay to adapt to the regulation ?

The fact that they stop the contract so soon without previous warning (unless Librapay is not disclosing everything) is what make it really weird for me.

Re:Liberapay is in trouble by calpaterson on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @06:33AM (#17548643)
> It is also a strong possibility but wouldn't Mangopay would have given some time for Librapay to adapt to the regulation ?

No anti-money laundering law doesn't work that way

> The fact that they stop the contract so soon without previous warning (unless Librapay is not disclosing everything) is what make it really weird for me.

That is completely normal (in fact giving notice is pretty lenient), if a financial institution suspects you of money laundering weird things will begin to happen to you such as freezes, orders being ignored, surprise account closures, etc. You will under no circumstances receive an explanation as that in itself is a serious criminal offense because it is considered to be helpful to money launderers when you explain to them what they did that aroused suspicion.

Note to readers: if weird things start happening to your bank account (delayed or ignored payments, logouts, etc) get on the phone to the bank and be as helpful to them as you can be. That is typically the only way to get this resolved.

Re:Liberapay is in trouble by lixtra on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @06:52AM (#17548718)
With apparently 13 k€ per month processed, how much could they launder?

No harm would have been done by giving them a few months grace period.

Re:Liberapay is in trouble by espadrine on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @07:32AM (#17548895)
The amount is irrelevant.

Financing Nazis is illegal, especially in France, which had a bit of an economic setback about sixty years ago because of them. Oh, and a lot of death and suffering.

https://github.com/liberapay/liberapay.org/issues/11

Re:Liberapay is in trouble by icebraining on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @09:04AM (#17549394)
That thread is not about money laundering, and it's two years old.
Re:Liberapay is in trouble by cannonedhamster on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @05:53PM (#17553776)
So basically if you're literally money laundering for cartels like HSBC, it's cool you've got plenty of time, but if you're a bit player for charity you should be blocked? Doesn't sound legit to me.
Re:Liberapay is in trouble by calpaterson on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @06:25AM (#17548622)
> Likelier: Liberapay’s KYC was insufficient.

Indeed and that would be consistent with no explanation being offered as explaining is normally illegal under "tipping off" rules.

Re:Liberapay is in trouble by wut42 on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @07:01AM (#17548763)
From the discussions in https://github.com/liberapay/salon/issues/248 it seems to be related to controversial users.

>I have just received an email from mangopay saying that they want to terminate their contract with us because we have/had a few controversial users.

>I've replied, asking for confirmation, and information on how much time we have left.

Re:Liberapay is in trouble by fwdpropaganda on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @11:00AM (#17550129)
Currently using bitcoin for payments changes nothing. Yes, the transfer of "currency" are decentralized, but to cash it out (to pay for food, rent, etc) you still need to use exchanges which are centralized.
Re:Liberapay is in trouble by _Codemonkeyism on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @11:34AM (#17550398)
If you need to 'cash out' it's not a 'currency'.
Re:Liberapay is in trouble by fwdpropaganda on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @12:53PM (#17551126)
A) Regardless of whether you're right or wrong, that's just a discussion about labels. Call it whatever you want, my point still stands: the transfers are decentralized but the exchanges are centralized.

B) Even though my point does not depend on whether you're right or wrong, you're wrong. I have USD in my bank but I have to cash them out into GBP. So according to your "reasoning", USD is not a currency? Of course it is, you're just talking nonsense.

Re:Liberapay is in trouble by _Codemonkeyism on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @07:40AM (#17557370)
The money in your bank account is no currency.

Either a currency is something you can buy things with, or it's a label with exchange rates. In the first case it can't be something that needs to be cashed out. In the second case you can't buy something and the thing you buy other things with is money.

You're usage of Bitcoin, money, GDP, USD and currency is willynilly.

Re:Liberapay is in trouble by fwdpropaganda on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @10:13AM (#17558539)
> You're usage of Bitcoin, money, GDP, USD and currency is willynilly.

Your usage of the English language is wilynilly.

Re:Liberapay is in trouble by RasputinsBro on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @08:36AM (#17557754)
I'm a trader and we call it currency.
Re:Liberapay is in trouble by fwdpropaganda on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @08:04AM (#17557535)
You have added zero to this conversation.
Re:Liberapay is in trouble by _Codemonkeyism on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @09:55AM (#17558369)
Does personally attack people get you somewhere in real live, I wonder?
Re:Liberapay is in trouble by fwdpropaganda on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @10:07AM (#17558469)
> Does personally attack people get you somewhere in real live, I wonder?

I didn't personally attack you. I said you have added nothing. That comment has nothing to do with your personhood.

I think you don't know what a "personal attack" is. Or a "currency", for that matter.