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Re:Ask HN: How to challenge trends without appearing like a ... by DoreenMichele on Monday July 16, 2018 @11:57PM (#17547196)
No. I did not use the word general. I did say this as the lead in:

Something I heard at my corporate job:

Although I can see where that would be interpreted as indicative of a general cultural expectation, it was a saying of one specific manager in my department. It was not some kind of cultural edict. I intentionally chose to not say that as I felt that detail was a pointless derail. I was merely offering a pithy alternative saying for the point someone else made.

It is, in fact, a rule of thumb I find works well for many things. But, given the specific context in which my remark was made, you have seriously read in a lot of assumptions that are wholly unwarranted.

If this comment fails to clear up this misunderstanding, then let me suggest you just ignore the entire thing and stop trying to parse it. Far too many words have already been written about this silly misunderstanding.

Re:Ask HN: How to challenge trends without appearing like a ... by mlthoughts2018 on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @09:27AM (#17549563)
I would always read “rule of thumb” as a general rule, something you would consult in your mind as potentially being applicable in any given circumstance (and hence is general, by definition, even if you did not use the word “general”).

I feel like I’m being chastized here for defending a reasonable, obvious interpretation of your comment, while you are doing mental gymnastics to try to add qualifications to it.

I’m fine to drop the issue from this point, sure. But it feels rude to me that I am being told to stop talking about it even though reading back through the comments after sleeping on it, it seems obvious that my original interpretation was right, that I described my counter point in a perfectly civil way, and that your replies don’t seem fair.

Re:Ask HN: How to challenge trends without appearing like a ... by DoreenMichele on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @11:40AM (#17550437)
You aren't being told you can't talk about it, nor are you being chastised. You are being told -- repeatedly -- that what I meant is not what you heard and then you insist you are in the right and I am in the wrong when I know best what I intended and no one else seems to have some big issue with my wording, which suggests the misunderstanding is likely primarily on your end, not primarily rooted in terrible phrasing on my end.

You and I obviously see the meaning of rule of thumb differently. I'm not going to look it up and get into some pedantic argument here about which of us is "right."

I don't know why you feel some need to repeatedly inform me that what I think I meant is not what I meant. But this discussion is fundamentally a waste of everyone's time if you are going to simply insist that your interpretation of what I intended is correct and true and my attempts to explain what I intended are somehow bad behavior of some sort.

I don't know how more clearly to convey that. I think I have been extremely patient myself here with trying to find some means to communicate while you appear to be dead set on telling me I don't know what I meant, which just sounds like a rather crazy assertion on the face of it.

It's reasonable to state that it sounded to you like I meant X. It is not reasonable to insist I couldn't have possibly intended something else since X is not the meaning you personally got out of it.

I intend for this to be my last reply. You've taken more than enough of my time over this matter. If that upsets you again for some reason, so be it.

Re:Ask HN: How to challenge trends without appearing like a ... by mlthoughts2018 on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @03:28PM (#17552416)
I'm only saying that after reading and reflecting on your follow-up comments, the thing that seems most likely to me is that your original comment was meant to offer general advice that I felt it was valuable to state a disagreement with. The follow-up comments don't provide evidence, discussion or any information that causes me to revise that belief. It seems more likely to me that you're retrofitting an explanation to your comment because you don't happen to like my line of disagreement with you or something like that. I am not even sure why it matters so much to you to repeatedly insist there was a different intended meaning to your comment. So what? In a LessWrong-style way, the meaning of your words is what gets induced in the mind of the reader, and not what you have in mind when you wrote them. It would be super easy for many other people to read your original comment the same why I did, and that alone makes the follow-up discussion about disagreeing with it a valuable thing, totally decoupled from what you meant or even what you personally believe. It's about how people will read and understand that particular comment, not about what you meant by it (although, I still think the most likely scenario is that you did mean something like a general rule to consult in a general corporate setting, and backtracked to qualify it later on).

> "You've taken more than enough of my time over this matter."

I don't necessarily agree, but I do agree that this meta-discussion about who meant what seems counter-productive. Extended discussion about why a rule of thumb that puts implicit pressure on people to not raise their complaints would actually be valuable, because it seems a lot of people don't think any further than the fact that they find complaints to be annoying, and support the idea of corporate mores rewarding "problem solvers" instead of "whiners."