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Re:Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Faceboo... by mc32 on Monday July 16, 2018 @03:15PM (#17544117)
I think it’s mostly redirecting dissatisfaction. Dems waaay underperformed and need to find a scapegoat rather than look internally and see why people switched.

But no, they rather blame others, be they foreign or even within the party: right now the Dems can’t decide if they are 1980s Dems or 1920s Workers Partiers.

Re:Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Faceboo... by dragonwriter on Monday July 16, 2018 @03:39PM (#17544363)
> Dems waaay underperformed and need to find a scapegoat rather than look internally and see why people switched.

Switching was (as always) much less significant than turnout.

And the previously absolutely dominant neoliberal faction of the Democratic Party hasn't made a lot of substantive (and even more symbolic) concessions to the anti-establishment progressive faction of the party because of a sudden outburst of generosity.

Just because Democrats (and plenty of Republicans, though mostly it's only the ones not currently in elective office, or on their way out, that talk strongly about it) notice and are outraged about foreign interference doesn't mean that they aren't aware of and actively seeking to address other issues that hurt them in 2016. There's nothing stopping them from doing both.

Re:Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Faceboo... by gnode on Monday July 16, 2018 @03:25PM (#17544219)
> why people switched.

If I remember correctly, it wasn't so much that many people switched parties, but that typical Democrat voter turnout was low, reflecting some amount of disillusionment.

Also, what you say about the Democrats' identity crisis seems to mirror what's been happening with Labour (the left party) in the UK.

Re:Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Faceboo... by akhilcacharya on Monday July 16, 2018 @03:31PM (#17544273)
>reflecting some amount of disillusionment

Disillusionment through propaganda and well-timed leaks of stolen documents by a foreign, hostile power.

Re:Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Faceboo... by mc32 on Monday July 16, 2018 @04:36PM (#17544851)
Does the source of the leaks matter? Does it matter that it was Wikileaks, AccessHollywood, Guccifer? Either something is true or it isn’t.
Re:Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Faceboo... by orf on Monday July 16, 2018 @08:05PM (#17546234)
Absolutely the source matters as well as the contents.

You could ask yourself why the Russians penetrated the RNC but decided not to release any dirt. Perhaps you could ask yourself if this has any bearing on Trump's Russia stance? Could he be unable to admit meddling for fear of undermining his very legitimacy? As a result of this is the head of state feuding with the unanimous conclusion of his (+allies) intelligence agencies good for anyone? Who would that be?

This is why the source matters. Because things are always leaked with intent, and by missing that intent and being distracted by shiny talking points you're missing the whole story. Both matter, equally.

Re:Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Faceboo... by mc32 on Monday July 16, 2018 @08:52PM (#17546453)
So let’s say (presume) Russia has goods on Trump, and we all know they had at least some goods on Hillary. I think then it would be fair to presume they could get the goods on anyone. If that’s the case, how can anyone do anything against this kind of adversary without someone saying “Ha, you’re taking/not taking an action because Russia is in your pocket!” Or whatever.
Re:Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Faceboo... by akhilcacharya on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @08:10AM (#17557569)
> So let’s say (presume) Russia has goods on Trump, and we all know they had at least some goods on Hillary

Why do we have to "presume" they do about Trump and "know" they had some goods on Hillary?

Re:Fakebook: A tool exploring the 2016 U.S. election Faceboo... by frockington on Monday July 16, 2018 @04:36PM (#17544853)
Rather than try and understand why Midwestern states such as Ohio flipped heavily Republican it seems like the plan is to call them idiots and bigots. It seems like some introspection and message focus is needed. The name calling path isn't working