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Re:The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US i... by ggm on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:16AM (#17541386)
The thing is, they don't show the hardware which would go with the spend. The construction equipment used to occupy the Spratleys has to then be followed by new ships, new airplanes, new heavy armor.

Domestically, the provinces are very powerful. the PLA is not out in force in complex, expensive hardware, its paramilitary presence which is not a huge increasing cost given mandatory post-university universal conscription.

Missiles and Nuke are a fixed cost.

TL;DR absent a plan for war (which they don't have, and show no signs of wanting) there is no visible basis to assume a huge hidden military budget.

Re:The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US i... by microdrum on Monday July 16, 2018 @11:16AM (#17541937)
They are literally manufacturing islands in the ocean.
Re:The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US i... by ggm on Monday July 16, 2018 @11:25AM (#17542011)
Cheaply btw. Pumping sand is not hard. And, they're doing it on existing reef structures. The sand only lasts because there is an anchor there.

This is not primarily military budget, any more than the US army corps of construction is military budget when it builds dams and Levees in the USA mainland (which btw, it does, a lot)

Military budget is materiel. Sand, even runways, is not Materiel.

Re:The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US i... by seanmcdirmid on Monday July 16, 2018 @11:47AM (#17542229)
The only purpose for building those islands out is militarily. If it’s not coming out of the PLAN budget directly, I would be very surprised.
Re:The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US i... by ggm on Monday July 16, 2018 @02:01PM (#17543450)
The purpose is to solidify the claim of territory, the enforcement will be military because China won't back down on this, and the law court path has been rejected. Open seas is the current active, western fleet response. If the Chinese miltary get the upper hand in the political conversation they WILL use this to argue for budget, to get more aircraft carriers, and more sea-active weapons. But that is future spend and is not on the current budget horizon is it?

So yes, there is a war war not jaw jaw aspect to building the islands, but the budgetary impact? low. Until they fund bulding the aircraft carriers, and stealth UAVs.

Re:The Chinese Government Likely Borrowed More than the US i... by seanmcdirmid on Monday July 16, 2018 @02:36PM (#17543761)
But without those investments those islands are hardly definsible, too far from hainan to be easily resupplied during hostilities and no intrinsic production capabilities in their own. Even with further military try investments, they are still probably strategically useless.