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Re:Letter from Shenzhen by Barrin92 on Monday July 16, 2018 @12:06AM (#17538702)
Sorry but just because an article or opinion piece does not make censorship the central point of an article does not mean it is a piece of propaganda. I've been to China, while many people are certainly annoyed by the control, most seemed to be so for purely pragmatic reasons. "It hinders business, I can't get what I want", and so forth. Rarely have I seen someone go into a lengthy speech about government overreach or free speech. You simply should recognise that this is fairly low on the list of priorities of people in the country, most just want to get on with their lives. We should allow people to talk about the Chinese tech ecosystem without having to pay their due to Western audiences in the foreword.

The ubiquity of smartphone consumer technology is portrayed fairly accurately. You really can do almost anything with your phone in almost any place (although I can't speak personally about rural areas, I've heard people mention it a lot, especially in the last tow to three years.)

The open source edge that China has is primarily in hardware, not software, especially in Shenzhen. The knock-off culture allows you to bring something to the market or have something manufactured in virtually no time at very low cost. It is still primarily a manufacturing city rather than a services city, although that seems to be changing.

Re:Letter from Shenzhen by smacktoward on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:05AM (#17541305)
> Rarely have I seen someone go into a lengthy speech about government overreach or free speech.

It's almost like people who live under constant monitoring by a totalitarian government understand that trash-talking that government can quickly get them into trouble.

Re:Letter from Shenzhen by Barrin92 on Monday July 16, 2018 @01:44PM (#17543240)
I'm talking about personal conversations, including conversations abroad.

You're displaying a patronizing attitude. Values differ between countries, not everyone who disagrees with your fundamental priorities of what constitutes good governance is somehow too afraid to speak the truth.

Re:Letter from Shenzhen by thinkpad20 on Monday July 16, 2018 @03:19PM (#17544157)
> Sorry but just because an article or opinion piece does not make censorship the central point of an article does not mean it is a piece of propaganda.

Very true. However, I didn't claim that censorship should be the central point of the article. I simply noted that it was barely mentioned at all.

> Rarely have I seen someone go into a lengthy speech about government overreach or free speech.

I'm not really sure what this demonstrates -- this can hardly be surprising in a country which provides no way for ordinary citizens to participate in government, has no history of its citizens doing so, and actively discourages them attempting to. That being said, it's certainly believable that freedom is not high on the list of priorities for the average Chinese citizen, but again, I never said that it was.

> We should allow people to talk about the Chinese tech ecosystem without having to pay their due to Western audiences in the foreword.

Another refutation of a claim that I never made.

As to the rest of your post, I agree! I've spent some time in China and was really amazed at how connected it was and how much could be accomplished with just a phone. I was mostly in the cities, but I also went out to the countryside and for the most part everything just worked, and everyone had WeChatPay and AliPay :)

Re:Letter from Shenzhen by StudentStuff on Monday July 16, 2018 @12:21AM (#17538757)
Problem is, while you can get most of the hardware documentation you'll need from the vendor you buy your chips from (despite them not technically being allowed to redistribute it), you generally can't recompile radio baseband software for that 3G SOC you just bought, leaving you with something that can't be customized at its core. Want to optimize radio wakeups to increase battery life on your device? Good luck, you'll need to rewrite the baseband yourself!
Re:Letter from Shenzhen by Barrin92 on Monday July 16, 2018 @12:40AM (#17538817)
I think the benefits of open source in the hardware space aren't perfectly analogous to software. As you point out, due to the fixed and somewhat opaque nature of hardware, changing hardware yourself is far from trivial, what the Shenzhen ecosystem does allow for however is faster iteration within the market itself.

More steps of trial and error within shorter time, more things are being recycled, more people get their hands on designs and so forth. This doesn't always directly make things more customizable, but it does increase the pace at which the ecosystem moves.

Re:Letter from Shenzhen by StudentStuff on Wednesday July 18, 2018 @01:15PM (#17560204)
The problem I see is that those iterations are constrained to not touch core parts of the hardware due to the lack of code and documentation being out there in public. Working with existing SOCs in different ways than their manufacturers ever thought possible is pretty common, many in the Linux-Sunxi community have pushed the envelope on how little power some SOCs can use, made possible in part by hardware features like a tiny, slow, power sipping RISC core that was on most Allwinner chips but was never leveraged before.