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Re:Does the entorhinal cortex use the Fourier transform? (2013) by mannykannot on Sunday July 15, 2018 @02:35PM (#17536391)
I would go further, and say a piano is not calculating anything, as it is not performing symbolic manipulation. I am not sure that the case is so clear for assemblages of neurons in general (are patterns of spikes symbols?), but modeling a physical process computationally does not make the case that the process itself is a computation.
Re:Does the entorhinal cortex use the Fourier transform? (2013) by enriquto on Sunday July 15, 2018 @02:58PM (#17536467)
my point exactly! the "Fourier transform" is not something that you need to compute, but a trivial physical process that happens everywhere. You whistle a note, and the corresponding string of a harp nearby starts vibrating. The strings of the harp display the Fourier transform of the sound wave, but they are not computing anything. It is only when you try to simulate this process on a digital computer that it becomes somewhat difficult and interesting, but in the analog case it is a straightforward operation.
Re:Does the entorhinal cortex use the Fourier transform? (2013) by TeMPOraL on Sunday July 15, 2018 @02:58PM (#17536469)
> but modeling a physical process computationally does not make the case that the process itself is a computation

IANA Mathematician, but I was under impression that it does exactly that, in a sense that if a physical process gives you results of an abstract computation, you can use this to get minimal bounds on energy requirements. Changing a bit has minimal theoretical energy cost in physical reality.

Re:Does the entorhinal cortex use the Fourier transform? (2013) by mannykannot on Monday July 16, 2018 @10:18AM (#17541401)
I guess it depends on if you think a computation is a manipulation of symbols. The sort of physical processes involved in a piano making sound are not symbolic manipulations, and being modelable through symbolic manipulations, or giving the same results (at whatever level of abstraction) as a symbolic manipulation, is not the same as being a symbolic manipulation.