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Re:Unlike most millennials, Norway's are rich by mockingbirdy on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:58AM (#17529477)
I'm seriously impressed:

See the national debt of Norway (34.33% of GDP) - this is insanely low for developed countries.

For comparison: US - 107.40%, Germany - 61.51%

https://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/norway

https://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedstates

https://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/germany

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Another important measurement is the Gini coefficient [1] which shows us if the wealth is distributed equally (G = 0% means everyone gets the same; G = 100% means one person has everything).

Norway: G = 27.5%

US: G = 48% (this means 1% owns half the wealth)

Germany: G = 28.9% after taxes (G = 49% before taxes). This shows how big the impact of taxes is for a fair distribution of wealth. Unfortunately, it's known that high-net-worth individuals have options to extract wealth without paying taxes. But I think they don't necessarily do themselves a favor because they simultaneously destroy the society they enjoy and depend on.

https://tradingeconomics.com/norway/gini-index-wb-data.html

https://www.statista.com/statistics/219643/gini-coefficient-...

http://www.oecd.org/social/income-distribution-database.htm

https://www.gut-leben-in-deutschland.de/static/LB/indicators...

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient

Re:Unlike most millennials, Norway's are rich by marvin on Saturday July 14, 2018 @05:14AM (#17529518)
Did your sources distinguish Norway's Gini coefficient before and after taxes?

My impression is that marginal taxation here is massive, since we have a sales tax of 25% (consumption tax, effectively), high taxes on luxury goods (cars especially), wealth tax of 0.85% of net worth every year and capital gains tax of 30% with no exemption for long-term holdings. The marginal tax rate on income is 46% IIRC, but your employer has already paid 14% of your salary in employment tax before you're paid. On top of this is property taxes, fees to local government, annual car tax etc.

If you make a complete assessment of the taxes a high-earning, high-spending person pays, it can easily surpass 70% of all income.

Re:Unlike most millennials, Norway's are rich by Applejinx on Saturday July 14, 2018 @06:11AM (#17529679)
"wealth tax of 0.85% of net worth every year"

Interesting. That's very much in line with what my experiments showed: just on a computer model of incredibly primitive 'economics', you can use an incredibly tiny wealth tax to redistributive effect. I think you can even ditch a lot of sales, income tax etc. if you're prepared to do a wealth tax. It seems to be very effective but this is the first I've heard of it actually being done anywhere.

Re:Unlike most millennials, Norway's are rich by sobani on Tuesday July 17, 2018 @10:14AM (#17549858)
The Netherlands also have it, sort of.

It started of as a 30% capital gains tax, but at some point the government was like: "Math is hard, let's pretend 4% return on capital." and we effectively ended up with a 1.2% wealth tax.

In the last few years they realized that wealthier people have a higher return on capital and the effective wealth tax is more progressive with an effective wealth tax of ~1.6% at the highest bracket.

Re:Unlike most millennials, Norway's are rich by marvin on Saturday July 14, 2018 @06:48AM (#17529773)
See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14828357 for a summary of the most important Norwegian taxes, which I posted elsewhere. Summarized as of last year.
Re:Unlike most millennials, Norway's are rich by tonfa on Saturday July 14, 2018 @07:27AM (#17529875)
It's not that uncommon. Many Swiss cantons have a progressive wealth tax. France used to have one but it's now limited to real estate holdings.
Re:Unlike most millennials, Norway's are rich by mockingbirdy on Saturday July 14, 2018 @05:37AM (#17529590)
See [1]. Norway has a Gini index of G = 41% before taxes and G = 25% after taxes (another source said G = 27.5% after taxes).

In Germany we also get heavily taxed although I don't think it's that drastic: 19% consumption tax, 25% + 5.5% on capital gains, a marginal tax rate that linearly increases up to 42% for high-earners [2].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_eq...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Germany

Re:Unlike most millennials, Norway's are rich by NizaAfrica on Saturday July 14, 2018 @05:36AM (#17529586)
It's because Norway is one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world with a total tax burden of roughly 45% of GDP– almost 4x Hong Kong and nearly twice the US.

VAT here is a whopping 25%. Personal income tax rates border 55%. Corporate profits tax ranges from 28% to as high as 78%

Moreover revenues from Equinor also help.

Re:Unlike most millennials, Norway's are rich by marvin on Saturday July 14, 2018 @06:48AM (#17529770)
Interesting to see the measure of total tax burden vs. GDP. Never heard that variant before, during discussions where it becomes obvious it's difficult to compare the tax systems of different countries. Apparently, perhaps not surprisingly, the Nordic countries top this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_reven...