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Re:Ask HN: I'm done with the IDE. What's a good alternative? by points on Sunday October 03, 2010 @10:43AM (#1752782)
One reason I don't use an IDE is the overhead in starting it up. I want a text editor to open now.
Re:Ask HN: I'm done with the IDE. What's a good alternative? by jfb on Sunday October 03, 2010 @12:22PM (#1752974)
When I was at Apple, I could build Emacs from source faster than IDEA would launch. As a twenty-year Emacs user, that sort of turned my world upside down.
Re:Ask HN: I'm done with the IDE. What's a good alternative? by bokchoi on Sunday October 03, 2010 @05:36PM (#1753679)
It was most likely building an index of your source tree or something. IntelliJ starts up fast enough for me and I rarely restart my IDE anyway. IntelliJ stays open on my MacBook Pro for weeks.
Re:Ask HN: I'm done with the IDE. What's a good alternative? by masklinn on Sunday October 03, 2010 @06:00PM (#1753744)
> It was most likely building an index of your source tree or something.

He's comparing it to building emacs from source. He's quite obviously trolling: Emacs has 15MB of C source and header files already.

On my machine (2010 15" MBP) a configure alone takes 20s, which is about 3 times the loading time of an empty IntelliJ (no project), and about twice if loading a preexisting (cached) project. A `make` of 23.2 takes nearly 3 minutes. Unless he's trying to launch an IDE with no free RAM or building an already-built soft (or a networked build), his declarations hardly make sense.

Re:Ask HN: I'm done with the IDE. What's a good alternative? by jfb on Monday October 04, 2010 @01:04PM (#1756386)
Not a troll. The IDEA project contained upwards of 60 subprojects, and the time from clicking the IDEA icon to the availability of the editor was often more than four minutes. On my eight-core, 16GB Mac Pro.
Re:Ask HN: I'm done with the IDE. What's a good alternative? by masklinn on Sunday October 03, 2010 @05:29PM (#1753663)
Yes, right...
Re:Ask HN: I'm done with the IDE. What's a good alternative? by gaius on Sunday October 03, 2010 @11:12AM (#1752831)
Tell me about it. TOAD takes more resources to run on my PC than Oracle. Same with Eclipse.

I remember when people joked that Emacs was a memory hog "eight megs and constantly swapping".

Re:Ask HN: I'm done with the IDE. What's a good alternative? by pjscott on Sunday October 03, 2010 @01:07PM (#1753073)
There were more:

Eventually Mallocs All Computer Storage.

Emacs Makes A Computer Slow.

About the only one that's still true now is this:

Escape Meta Alt Control Shift.

Re:Ask HN: I'm done with the IDE. What's a good alternative? by leif on Sunday October 03, 2010 @07:12PM (#1753944)
Only once did I see emacs malloc all of my ram, but it did it on the server and crashed it. No clue what happened, but I barely got top open to see it happen before the kernel panicked.

A once-in-a-lifetime experience though, I start the emacs server on boot so I can start clients much faster, which means it's always running as long as my computer is on, and it's never had any issues other than that one time.

Re:Ask HN: I'm done with the IDE. What's a good alternative? by masklinn on Sunday October 03, 2010 @05:28PM (#1753662)
> One reason I don't use an IDE is the overhead in starting it up.

Why? You start it once, the first time you want to start developing. And you never close it until you reboot the machine.

Same as with Emacs, start it, have it enable server-mode automatically, and until you reboot you go through emacsclient.