Re:How the BBC and ITV are fixing delays on World Cup live s...
by lordnacho on Friday July 13, 2018 @04:28PM
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Whatever happened to multicast over the general internet? Seems like the perfect use case for it. Let the hardware do the copying instead of unicasting TCP connections or whatever it is they do.
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Re:How the BBC and ITV are fixing delays on World Cup live s...
by convivialdingo on Friday July 13, 2018 @05:13PM
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AT&T did this for Uverse - it’s unicast for 5 seconds then it switches over to multicast. I assume there’s some key frames and h26x codec configuration that’s necessary.
Unfortunately multicast doesn’t work across the internet. It’s typically filtered or ignored I think.
Re:How the BBC and ITV are fixing delays on World Cup live s...
by sofaofthedamned on Friday July 13, 2018 @05:33PM
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That's correct. The unicast is there to catch up to the next multicast key frame and reduces the channel hop lag.
Re:How the BBC and ITV are fixing delays on World Cup live s...
by tinus_hn on Saturday July 14, 2018 @04:28AM
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Multicast works great across the internet but it fails because everyone uses NAT in their home.
Re:How the BBC and ITV are fixing delays on World Cup live s...
by isostatic on Sunday July 15, 2018 @05:58AM
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There's issues with wifi from memory.
Not sure why multicast wouldn't work from behind nat, assuming the router supported it.
Re:How the BBC and ITV are fixing delays on World Cup live s...
by timthorn on Friday July 13, 2018 @06:08PM
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The BBC ran such a trial around the turn of the millennium with a range of ISPs.
Re:How the BBC and ITV are fixing delays on World Cup live s...
by sofaofthedamned on Friday July 13, 2018 @05:32PM
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BT in the UK do this. It's awesome, but doesn't fix encoding delays like iPlayer is suffering from. Plus, it's over their Network which is a subset of the UK public internet infrastructure.
I had an old blog page about how it was designed but I took it down. May be worth revisiting it. That said the general public prefer unicast so they can watch it when they want, which renders multicast a moot point.
Re:How the BBC and ITV are fixing delays on World Cup live s...
by cs02rm0 on Saturday July 14, 2018 @01:02AM
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Yep. And they're not the only ones.
Nagra sell a system that does it to ISPs around the world and have done for at least 10 years. I'd been hoping we'd see more of that in the UK, but there has been virtually zero movement probably largely because of our patchy broadband service. I'm assuming the Sky Q boxes are heading in that direction eventually.
Re:How the BBC and ITV are fixing delays on World Cup live s...
by NelsonMinar on Friday July 13, 2018 @06:54PM
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Internet multicast turns out to be hard. Now that streaming video is popular enough maybe it will be deemed a problem worth solving. I'm sure it's solvable. But it's hard. Also the trend for most things is video on demand, simultaneous viewing of a live event is rare.