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Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by jacquesm on Thursday July 12, 2018 @02:15PM (#17517183)
Fortunately every young developer is also schooled extensively in telling toy libraries apart from serious ones.
Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by janoc on Thursday July 12, 2018 @03:15PM (#17517708)
And why isn't the young developer being mentored by someone more senior before introducing a new dependency into a business critical system?

Why is what amounts to a clear project management failure the problem of some open source developer who has published their personal pet project?

If dependencies aren't reviewed before being used, how does such organization handle software license compliance (whether OSS or proprietary), for example?

A clear cut case of trying to shift blame for own failings onto an unpaid volunteer that has helped to save the commercial developer time and money, IMO.

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by rhizome on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:08PM (#17518188)
And why isn't the young developer being mentored by someone more senior before introducing a new dependency into a business critical system?

Because they're already the senior. CEO said it shouldn't be that hard, and besides, they only wanted to pay $40K/yr.

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by jacquesm on Thursday July 12, 2018 @03:24PM (#17517787)
> And why isn't the young developer being mentored by someone more senior before introducing a new dependency into a business critical system?

Some critical assumptions:

- a more senior dev is available

- has time

- understand the system well enough to judge the impact

- is actually a better developer than the junior (in spite of being older / in the game longer)

> Why is what amounts to a clear project management failure the problem of some open source developer who has published their personal pet project?

It isn't, that was the point.

> If dependencies aren't reviewed before being used, how does such organization handle software license compliance (whether OSS or proprietary), for example?

Some critical assumptions:

- organizations keep a close eye on developers incorporating code under various licenses

- the people keeping an eye on that are qualified to make the calls

- the resources to keep an eye on this are available

> A clear cut case of trying to shift blame for own failings onto an unpaid volunteer that has helped to save the commercial developer time and money, IMO.

Sure. But that doesn't mean these things don't happen just about everywhere, many times per day.

It is rare to find a company where all of the assumptions labelled above are true all the time. And that's where the problem lies.

It's a clear case of there being no difference between theory and practice in theory but in practice there is, and rather a lot of it. Everybody knows in theory how software should be developed, but in practice hardly anybody actually does it that way. They're either out of time, options or qualifications (or all three) and they will do the job anyway.

That doesn't excuse it, but it does help you to understand it.

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by jstarfish on Thursday July 12, 2018 @08:18PM (#17519660)
By definition, they aren't though-- for the truly green, that extensive schooling comes from `npm/pip/gem install`ing random packages with implementations they don't understand or can't account for, then having to deal with the fallout in whatever form it chooses to manifest itself. Could be a maintainability nightmare, or it could be losing your job.

My advice to mentees is that if installing a package to achieve x saves (a significant amount of) time/money that outweighs the risks to self/company or has value added by means of product maturity or domain expertise, then by all means do not roll your own crypto, web framework, db connector or machine learning library. But if one is going to introduce dependencies on things as trivial as leftpad or someone's Show HN single-pass weekend hackathon proof-of-concept, they will soon learn why we don't bring toys to work.

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by gaius on Thursday July 12, 2018 @03:33PM (#17517858)
Then explain nodejs and MongoDB existing in production systems?

Or did you forget the /s...

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by jacquesm on Thursday July 12, 2018 @03:35PM (#17517882)
> Or did you forget the /s...

Yep. It's been a long day after a particularly long week. I will take a break from HN, too much on my mind. Thanks for the reminder.

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by gaius on Thursday July 12, 2018 @05:20PM (#17518713)
Have a great weekend, catch you on the flipside