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Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by hutzlibu on Thursday July 12, 2018 @02:14PM (#17517181)
I admit I only skimmed the article, but I still throw in a potential controversal counterthought (even though I don't disagree with the article from what I read):

People* are dumb.

Why?

They have been breed like that for many generations. Because all the classic Civilisations and Empires needed lots of dumb workers and peasants who were able to do their simple work, but not smart enough, to organize any opposition against the current empire.

And this in many different forms, from total slavery to all kinds in between.

Now with the Hypothesis, that smart people don't want to get exploited, they would rise up sometimes, where they grew in numbers - and got beaten down and crucified, hanged, quartered, etc. - so strong selection pressure for smart people not born into the elite and not wanting to become a monk.

Now with all that being said, I believe it is probably more a cultural mindset of "stupidness" than "stupid" DNA in the people, because smart people also keep their heads low and pretend to be stupid, when they can't win a fight. But this got into a habit of not wanting to think. So the solution to all the complex problems in the world I don't think is a super government, thinking for all their dumb sheeps, but rather smaller systems, less complex - and letting people get smart again, by giving them the opportunity to make decisions again about their life. Not just a allmost meaningless vote which allmost counts nothing among the millions of other votes, but voting the decisions down at their very local lifes. When you have to think for yourself, you will start thinking again. And then you don't want those decisions taken away from you. Thats only comfortable when you forgot how to do it.

* with "people" I mean the average person in the street, the one from the famous Churchill quote

Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by gilbetron on Thursday July 12, 2018 @02:33PM (#17517342)
That seems like an incredibly uneducated view of what the world was like previously.
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by hutzlibu on Thursday July 12, 2018 @03:49PM (#17518039)
Interesting, care to provide arguments?

I provided mine: we had empires as default, they needed lots of slaves. Slaves must be strong, but stupid. Smart slaves were trouble. So got sorted out.

Simplified, yes, but "uneducated" where?

Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by gilbetron on Thursday July 12, 2018 @08:35PM (#17519724)
> Interesting, care to provide arguments?

Read a history book. Hell, read Timeline by Michael Crichton.

Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by hutzlibu on Friday July 13, 2018 @10:45AM (#17523336)
Not an argument. I believe I read a lot of history books. So can you then provide me with your enlightened wisdom that you got, I apparently failed to grasp?
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by gilbetron on Saturday July 14, 2018 @11:23PM (#17533642)
"needed lots of dumb workers and peasants who were able to do their simple work"

Sounds like a very Monty Python-esque view of history, that's all. Perhaps you have a far more nuanced view, but it doesn't come across as such.

Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by tootie on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:36PM (#17518385)
"Because all the classic Civilisations and Empires needed lots of dumb workers and peasants who were able to do their simple work, but not smart enough, to organize any opposition against the current empire."

I think that's a pretty preposterous claim. Selective breeding of humans has happened in earnest very rarely in human history. Far too little to have created an evolutionary bottleneck. The Flynn Effect would seem to indicate that the opposite has been happening at least in recent history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by jimbofisher1 on Thursday July 12, 2018 @02:29PM (#17517311)
I think its extremely unlikely that there is any actual evolutionary process selecting for less intelligent people, in fact the opposite is probably more likely to be true. I'm not sure you were really sugesting that though.
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by hutzlibu on Thursday July 12, 2018 @03:35PM (#17517884)
There is different kinds of intelligence. Like said, it can be smart to not be smart, if you want to survive under a stupid, but powerful regime. Smart in that moment, not so smart now, when it is wise, to understand more, than just be able.to follow simple orders. Robots can do that better.
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by jimbofisher1 on Thursday July 12, 2018 @06:14PM (#17519058)
How does that play out today because it is very lucrative to be smart in today's world. You don't get to work at FAANG or on Wall Street by pretending to be less intelligent than you are. The same applies across many industries like Academia, Healthcare, Law etc. You may have to suppress opinions that go against the grain of the industry you are in but I don't see that as being the same.
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by hutzlibu on Thursday July 12, 2018 @08:19PM (#17519668)
Yes, you have to be very smart today.
Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by taeric on Thursday July 12, 2018 @02:25PM (#17517280)
Oddly, I think if you were to take that in a slightly different direction, you'd get more traction. Specifically, take your * and have it say * by "people" I mean collections of people. Individuals often show remarkable intelligence.

Even that, of course, ignores that there is some wisdom in crowds. I'd guess there is a sense of "inertia" in how people behave/think. With more people, more inertia. Slower changes and seemingly slower progress sometimes.

Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by hutzlibu on Thursday July 12, 2018 @03:40PM (#17517943)
You got me wrong. I never said that groups in general are stupid.

I meant specifically a average group of average people today. And stupid in the sense that they fail to see any big picture(and also the picture in front of their eyes is usually quite blurry). Quite problematic in a globalised world.

Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by taeric on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:09PM (#17518195)
Apologies, I meant that I am more open to the other interpretation. My hypothesis being that I am like most people. :) (Obvious flaws in said hypothesis.)

I don't necessarily think either interpretation is correct. I am curious on just how correct either are. That is, I suspect this is purely a probabilities thing. If that makes sense.

Re:People Aren’t Dumb, the World Is Hard by ppeetteerr on Thursday July 12, 2018 @03:09PM (#17517651)
>* with "people" I mean the average person in the street, the one from the famous Churchill quote

Most people are dumb about most things, good at a small number of things, and excel in one to three things.