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Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by bluecalm on Thursday July 12, 2018 @01:19PM (#17516693)
Well, when he is dealing with arguments as silly as "but we will confuse = with ==) it's not a surprise he is tired and had enough. I just wish he had pushed through C style assignment before retiring. New syntax is ugly and introduces a new operator which basically does the same thing. When I've seen this PEP for the first time I thought he lost his touch after so many fantastic design decisions throughout the years. Now I realize he just had enough.

Thanks Guido for fantastic language. I wouldn't find love for programming if it wasn't for you.

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by sevensor on Thursday July 12, 2018 @04:08PM (#17518184)
My reaction was the opposite -- I didn't know about PEP572, read it immediately after this retirement announcement. My response was, "where has this feature been all these years?" I'm delighted by the addition -- it removes a lot of "loop and a half" ugliness without adding do loops, it simplifies list comprehensions, it lets you remove opportunities to make mistakes, and it doesn't let you put a single-equals assignment inside a conditional as a typo.
Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by sneakermoney on Thursday July 12, 2018 @06:11PM (#17519038)
Same here, I often find myself writing a loop-and-a-half and will on occasion repeat expressions to get around extra lines (if I cared about performance, I wouldn't be writing it in Python).

I feel like a lot of the resistance is from people who think this is somehow bad style, because it's associated with a source of bugs in other languages. The same kind of people will argue endlessly against having 'goto' in a language, even when it can clearly make for cleaner code (eat it, Dijkstra!) in some cases.

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by sevensor on Friday July 13, 2018 @09:17AM (#17522652)
I think EWD was basically in the right to push hard for structured programming, but I also like Knuth's nuanced take:

https://pic.plover.com/knuth-GOTO.pdf

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by bogomipz on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:08AM (#17520460)
Can you explain what a "loop-and-a-half" is in Python?
Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by blake_himself on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:37AM (#17520537)

    x = stuff
    while x:
        x = stuff
Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by Delgan on Friday July 13, 2018 @03:36AM (#17521139)
On the contrary, loop-and-a-half is intended to avoid repeating stuff outside and inside of the loop body.

    while true:
        x = stuff
        if not x:
            break
Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by chucksmash on Sunday July 15, 2018 @12:57AM (#17533866)
GPs example is perfectly valid as well - this is just a restatement of the same logic in a way that keeps the logic contained within the loop at the cost of using a conditional plus a break inside of an unconditional loop. See [0]:

  Another motivating code pattern is the "loop and a half".
 
  It was once common for processing a file by line, but that 
  has been solved by making file objects iterable; however 
  other non-iterable interfaces still suffer from patterns 
  like:
  
  line = f.readline()
  while line:
      ...  # process line
      line = f.readline()
  
  or like this:
  
  while True:
      line = f.readline()
      if not line:
          break
      ... # process line

  Either of those could be replaced with a much more clear
  and concise version using an assignment expression:

  while line := f.readline():
      ... # process line
[0]: https://lwn.net/Articles/757713/
Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by Tehnix on Thursday July 12, 2018 @01:37PM (#17516852)
> Well, when he is dealing with arguments as silly as "but we will confuse = with ==)...

You clearly never had exposure to a PHP codebase. If people can trip up, people will trip up.

Re:“I'm basically giving myself a permanent vacation from be... by joshuamorton on Thursday July 12, 2018 @02:16PM (#17517193)
Guido (along with most core devs) are actively against c-style assignment. This pep was a compromise that Guido felt was good.

But c-style assignment in Python was never going to happen, not should it have.