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Re:Thank you, Ubuntu by pronoiac on Saturday October 02, 2010 @02:01PM (#1750942)
Ubuntu's strategy to not let you upgrade some packages without upgrading the OS itself is insane.

You can; it's called "pinning:" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto

If I want Python 2 and 3 on the same system I can't have a package manager tell me that's not supposed to be when I know full well that it's no problem.

Let me check; here on Jaunty I can separately install python2.4, python2.5, python2.6, python3.0, & python3.1.

I don't doubt that you've had problems with the package managers, but, um, I think you're doing it wrong.

Re:Thank you, Ubuntu by fauigerzigerk on Saturday October 02, 2010 @03:09PM (#1751111)
I guess what I'm "doing wrong" is to expect sensible out of the box behaviour. I'm fully aware that I can make it do whatever I want to if I put enough work into it. That holds for almost everything in life. What's limited in my life, though, is time.

Installing Python 3 alongside the old version didn't work for a long time after Python 3 came out. If it works now, that's fine. I compiled my own Python 3 a long time before it finally appeared in my system's package manager.

[Edit] And one more thing. I'm not a sysadmin and my interest in system configuration and change management is very limited. But I've been using Linux for a very long time, so if I'm still doing it wrong then many people will do be doing it wrong and that means there's something wrong with the way it works.

Re:Thank you, Ubuntu by s3graham on Sunday October 03, 2010 @04:38AM (#1752389)
On the contrary, you're acting like you desperately want to be a sysadmin by demanding to control which specific version of each package is installed.
Re:Thank you, Ubuntu by fauigerzigerk on Monday October 04, 2010 @10:57AM (#1755826)
No, I want developers to be in control of dependency management.