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Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by kevin_b_er on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @03:44PM (#17501432)
And again we find Republican Party philosophy is that corporate rights are as strong as or stronger than human rights. Greed is good.
Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by tinalumfoil on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:30PM (#17503114)
While I don't agree with Kavanaugh in this case, the legal reality is corporations are just as protected by the first amendment as any person. If they weren't, we couldn't have things like a free press. Painting this view as strictly Republican is painting everyone who's not Republican as at odds with the constitution.
Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by mmt on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @09:57PM (#17503858)
> If they weren't, we couldn't have things like a free press.

We could still have a free press, since "the press" is explicitly mentioned in the First Amendment. Whether things that resemble a free press (if that's what you meant by "like") are desirable, is another matter.

Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by timoth3y on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @12:03AM (#17504397)
> the legal reality is corporations are just as protected by the first amendment as any person

That's not the case. There have always been restrictions on commercial speech that are not allowed towards individual speech. For example, it is completely acceptable to restrict commercial speech based on content.

Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by User23 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @05:32PM (#17502377)
The first amendment doesn’t give you the right to use someone else’s printing press or network. This is a completely reasonable ruling. You’re free to start your own ISP.

There are plenty of Democrat VCs. I’m sure they have no interest in greed and will be happy to fund you for purely idealistic reasons.

Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by lisper on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:43PM (#17503195)
> You’re free to start your own ISP.

Not really.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/another-state-la...

This is the Republican hypocrisy: only corporations (or extremely wealthy individuals) can start ISPs. Municipalities, a.k.a. The People, cannot.

Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by User23 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:55PM (#17503281)
Republicans generally oppose what they consider unnecessary public spending and public control of markets. Reasonable people can disagree on the merits of that posture, but where’s the hypocrisy?

Also, I’m not sure that law actually precludes a municipality from setting up an independent public utility that funds itself with subscription fees rather than taxes.

Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by lisper on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @08:56PM (#17503568)
> where’s the hypocrisy?

Republicans claim to favor local control over state and federal control. But in fact they are perfectly happy to exercise state control over local government (or federal control over state government) if local control threatens business interests or empowers minorities or women.

Republicans also claim to revere the Constitution and the intent of the founders. The Founders clearly intended for the means of communication to be a public good. The government's duty to provide a postal service is written into the Constitution. But the postal service was simply the state of the art in communications technology in 1791. There is no reason to think that the founders did not intend for that government responsibility to keep up with technological advancements.

Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by User23 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @10:37PM (#17504037)
> Republicans claim to favor local control over state and federal control. But in fact they are perfectly happy to exercise state control over local government (or federal control over state government) if local control threatens business interests or empowers minorities or women.

You just disqualified yourself from being considered intellectually honest by engaging in bigoteering.

> The Founders clearly intended for the means of communication to be a public good. The government's duty to provide a postal service is written into the Constitution. But the postal service was simply the state of the art in communications technology in 1791

Again, don't take this the wrong way, but your ignorance is shocking. There was this little thing called the (optical) telegraph that was a bit more state of the art than post horses.

Furthermore, Ben Franklin quite clearly states that in order to have freedom of the press you must first have a press. The 1st amendment wasn't construed by any of the founders to imply socialized printing presses.

Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by lisper on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @01:42AM (#17504693)
> (optical) telegraph

I presume you mean this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semaphore_line

Invented in 1792, four years after the Constitution was ratified.

(You might also want to look up "glass houses" and "throwing stones".)

> socialized printing presses

The Internet is not a printing press. Web sites are printing presses. The Internet is the means by which content is distributed, not the means by which it is produced.

Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by User23 on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @05:18PM (#17510371)
> You might also want to look up "glass houses" and "throwing stones".

You might want to read the link you shared. “Modern design of semaphores was first foreseen by the British polymath Robert Hooke, who gave a vivid and comprehensive outline of visual telegraphy to the Royal Society in a 1684 submission in which he outlined many practical details.” and “One of the first experiments of optical signalling was carried out by the Anglo-Irish landowner and inventor, Sir Richard Lovell Edgeworth in 1767”

>The Internet is not a printing press. Web sites are printing presses. The Internet is the means by which content is distributed, not the means by which it is produced.

You’re not even wrong.

Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by DannyB2 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @05:36PM (#17502407)
You are paying your ISP to move packets to and from the internet backbone they are connected to without editing or blocking those packets.

The contents of, source of, and destination of each packet is none of the ISP's business.

Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by User23 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @05:39PM (#17502427)
That depends on the contract you signed with them. Even common carriers can refuse to transport objects. Many forbid even disassembled firearms for example.
Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by DannyB2 on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @10:07AM (#17506989)
Packets are data. Not explosives. Not dangerous chemicals.

Packets may even be encrypted. And increasingly, they are.

Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by User23 on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @05:21PM (#17510378)
An AR 15 lower is not explosive or a dangerous chemical. It’s no more dangerous than any other couple pound hunk of metal. But common carriers choose not to transport them even though it’s safe and legal.
Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by manfredo on Friday July 13, 2018 @12:15PM (#17524216)
> But common carriers choose not to transport them even though it’s safe and legal.

No, common carriers choose not to ship them precisely because it isn't legal (unless the sender and recipients are FFLs). Common carriers are usually fine with shipping muzzleloaders and pre '98 guns (all of which can be shipped and received by non FFLs).

Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by smichel17 on Tuesday July 10, 2018 @07:11PM (#17503002)
Re:Supreme Court pick: ISPs have First Amendment right to bl... by contravariant on Wednesday July 11, 2018 @06:29AM (#17505793)
Similarly energy companies should have the right to deny service based on political views.

You could always start your own energy company.