News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Shocked by online comments, reporter writes profile of hi... by volski on Saturday October 02, 2010 @01:27AM (#1749815)
Yea I'm sure the manager who probably makes 10 an hour can just start giving people raises at will. How aggravating indeed.
Re:Shocked by online comments, reporter writes profile of hi... by jimmyjim on Saturday October 02, 2010 @01:46AM (#1749846)
That he complained that he "never even got a card" meant that he was not appreciated as a friend by his manager-- that's something completely beside the monetary wage. They should have been friends, after 10 years together.

And even if the manager was earning a low amount there's no reason that in just one year out of those 10 he could not have given him a Christmas bonus. Even a small amount, so that Mr. Smith would not have been able to say that he "never got a [...] Christmas bonus."

Re:Shocked by online comments, reporter writes profile of hi... by volski on Saturday October 02, 2010 @02:25AM (#1749898)
>That he complained that he "never even got a card" meant that he was not even appreciated by his manager

"I kind of forced him" to celebrate holidays, Rogers said.

That quote kind of puts a different perspective on it. His roommate had to force holidays on him, so is it a wonder his manager didn't give him cards? Maybe that's just the way he came off.

"He might not have meant something to somebody else, but he was like family to us. He meant something to us." - Dayhoff, his boss at Crab Shack. That sounds like he appreciated him to me. Quit acting like you guys care about Neil Smith more than his no-wage-raising, no-bonus-giving, no-card-giving manager. That guy actually lost somebody, you guys didn't. So don't be so quick to call him uncaring.

Re:Shocked by online comments, reporter writes profile of hi... by jimmyjim on Saturday October 02, 2010 @02:31AM (#1749906)
He explicitly complained to his friend of not getting a card or getting a raise.

Celebrating holidays or not is a completely separate issue.

Re:Shocked by online comments, reporter writes profile of hi... by gcheong on Saturday October 02, 2010 @12:57PM (#1750799)
You're taking a couple complaints and extrapolating that to mean his manager did not appreciate him. You don't know to what extent his manager may have tried to show appreciation in other ways or what their relationship was like.
Re:Shocked by online comments, reporter writes profile of hi... by jbm on Saturday October 02, 2010 @01:41AM (#1749840)
Out of curiosity, do you feel that 10 years of loyal service should not be rewarded with any kind of raise at all?

Even if he wasn't earning much more than 8 or 9 dollars an hour even then, but it probably would mean quite a bit for someone in that situation.

With inflation, he was actually being paid less 10 years later.

Re:Shocked by online comments, reporter writes profile of hi... by BobbyH on Saturday October 02, 2010 @02:00AM (#1749867)
> With inflation, he was actually being paid less 10 years later.

I looked this up and Neil Alan Smith's wages grew by 41% from 2001 to 2010, outpacing inflation of 23%.

Inflation from Aug. 2001 to Aug. 2010 increased prices by 23% (http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_Rate/historical...).

Neil Alan Smith's wages started in 2001 at the federal minimum wage of $5.15. The federal minimum wage was constant from 1997 to 2007, but Florida passed a minimum wage law increasing its state minimum wage to $6.15 in 2005. Other adjustments to the Florida minimum wage increased his wage to $7.25 by 2010. (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_Florida_minimum_wage_histo... and http://www.floridajobs.org/minimumwage/index.htm)

Re:Shocked by online comments, reporter writes profile of hi... by sliverstorm on Saturday October 02, 2010 @02:14AM (#1749882)
Odds are if the manager really liked him, the manager would have liked to give him a raise.

However, sometimes available finances simply do not warrant a raise. Sometimes higher management who does not know an employee says "why should we pay him more, we can just find another Joe to do the same job", without knowing the measure of the man.

Re:Shocked by online comments, reporter writes profile of hi... by electromagnetic on Saturday October 02, 2010 @10:01AM (#1750440)
A lack of raises in minimum-wage work is the norm. I know people who've worked in franchises for years who've barely been given raises (which are normally cancelled out by a minimum-wage increase a few months later anyway).

Why don't these companies give raises? The same reason Wal-Mart fights viciously to stop unionization; because higher-pay means higher-prices which for bottom-of-the-barrel pricing means less sales. I can buy a burger at McDonalds for a dollar; I have to shop like a pro to find the deals to get burger buns and burgers, cheese slices, pickles, ketchup/relish/etc at a comparable price to make an identical burger. Likely I'll end up spending at least $2 to make my own burger.

McDonalds is making profit off of a food item that costs less than $1. Looking at the economics of it, it's ridiculous. How many burgers in my lifetime would I have to make to equalize the cost of using electricity/gas to heat my stove top to fry a burger, and buying the frying pan in the first place, and the bun, burger, cheese, condiments.

Not giving a raise helps keep these people in a job, it's sad that it has to be this way (for more reasons than one), but thats what this world is. Although to look in the back of most McDonalds if you found one competent worker like Mr. Smith you could fire half of your day-staff. I've seen 3 good workers turn out orders faster than when every station is full and there's 20 workers in a store, because when there's a lot of them they're inevitably students and the managers are like 19 and endlessly chatter.

Re:Shocked by online comments, reporter writes profile of hi... by sokoloff on Sunday October 03, 2010 @11:16AM (#1752844)
McDs doesn't have to make a profit on that $1 burger. They'll make plenty of profit on the $1.50 soda or $2 fries that they sell alongside it.
Re:Shocked by online comments, reporter writes profile of hi... by volski on Saturday October 02, 2010 @01:50AM (#1749852)
The real question you should be asking is if his pay is so low, why didn't he get another job? There's a reason he stayed.

Did he deserve it? Maybe, the article mentioned he started out as a waiter and (moved up?) to dishwasher. Maybe dishwasher paid more, who knows. But my whole point is a manager in a restaurant has less control over raises than you seem to suggest.

Re:Shocked by online comments, reporter writes profile of hi... by jonhendry on Sunday October 03, 2010 @03:39AM (#1752331)
"Maybe, the article mentioned he started out as a waiter "

I think it was the roommate, Rogers, who had been a waiter.