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Re:Nissan Admits Internal Emissions-Test Results were Falsified by nashashmi on Monday July 09, 2018 @11:12AM (#17490797)
> You don't get to cheat on a test, brag about how you passed, and then if you're discovered, claim that the test was too hard. Too late.

It is the competition that pushes you to such extremes. If others are doing it, then what is to stop you.

Too much regulation and court procedures are preventing others from coming out and blowing the whistle on themselves.

Re:Nissan Admits Internal Emissions-Test Results were Falsified by stochastic_monk on Monday July 09, 2018 @11:28AM (#17490932)
The point of regulation is so that everyone has to reach the same bar. Breaking the rules to cut costs doesn’t absolve you.
Re:Nissan Admits Internal Emissions-Test Results were Falsified by nashashmi on Monday July 09, 2018 @01:40PM (#17491976)
And when the regulation fails to regulate for a long period of time, such that all eventually meet the regulation with either a loophole or a crime, it does not make the system any fairer when the axe falls.

If the reg's were never put into effect, and companies never given citations, it is institutional failure. And very unfair to all entities who are suddenly scolded at not meeting the criteria.

VW presumably started it. Other companies eventually competed. And all of a sudden everyone is now in violation.

It is like cheating on a test. One kid starts it. Teacher does not care. Kid does not get scolded. Competition gets intense. Rest of kids start cheating too. The axe falls, sometimes on the dull, slow kid, and then everyone falls in line. But then teacher goes back and sees who else cheated in the past, and the entire class is outed. How is this fair again?

Re:Nissan Admits Internal Emissions-Test Results were Falsified by jrockway on Monday July 09, 2018 @11:47AM (#17491106)
> Too much regulation and court procedures are preventing others from coming out and blowing the whistle on themselves.

"The penalties for murder are too harsh, so people aren't confessing to many unsolved murders."

Well, yeah. I would not blame "the system" for this, however.

Re:Nissan Admits Internal Emissions-Test Results were Falsified by nashashmi on Monday July 09, 2018 @01:44PM (#17492014)
Murder and emissions fraud are like apples to oranges. Emissions fraud are a corporate practice, while murder is a one-off event. Coming clear on the latter improves all industry.

For the record, there have been cases where criminals have come forward for crimes after statute of limitations expired. I am not sure it if was in particular to murder though.

Re:Nissan Admits Internal Emissions-Test Results were Falsified by jrockway on Monday July 09, 2018 @04:07PM (#17493032)
I think you get my point, though. Amnesty for rule violations does not discourage future violations. "Everyone's cheating on emissions testing and there's no penalty" isn't going to dissuade anyone from cheating on emissions testing.

You can compare it to "you are allowed to murder anyone you want, as long as you confess afterwards" and see that that's not the best public policy if your goal is to reduce murders.