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Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by andy_ppp on Sunday July 08, 2018 @07:50AM (#17483335)
Sometimes I want to email the domain owner to see if they are interested in selling their domain. I don’t see this as spam personally because the emails are always bespoke and “hand written” making a specific case. What would you advise be done in this situation instead?
Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by lucb1e on Sunday July 08, 2018 @09:17AM (#17483637)
If it's important enough, I guess the registrar could be used as relay.

But I do see your point. On the one hand, I'd suggest an optional "reach the owner" part of whois, where one could list a physical or digital address (doesn't even have to be email, I sometimes list social network presence on "about" pages as contact method for unimportant sites, to prevent spam). But on the other hand, we already have a place where you can optionally put your contact details: the very website we're talking about. And there you can apply any anti-spam measures you want, which you cannot do if it's in a public directory somewhere.

I think it's fine if people have to publish their contact info themselves.

Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by microcolonel on Sunday July 08, 2018 @09:29AM (#17483689)
> If it's important enough, I guess the registrar could be used as relay.

If the registrar is in the middle, they have a considerable interest in failing to deliver sales inquiries, because they will tend to lose out on them. Same with certain types of abuse inquiries. The registrar has a conflict of interest with most forms of legitimate inquiry on a domain. If the registrar allows unfiltered messages, or messages whose content is entirely unknown to the registrar, then you're back to square one, because the end address ultimately has to filter the spam.

Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by ethbro on Sunday July 08, 2018 @10:33AM (#17483961)
Trivially solved by a postalesque method.

Simply write delivery into the contract, and require fees paid to the registrar from any party sending mail through the service (i.e. stamps).

Critically, if one were going to do this, allow the domain owner to black hole all communication via this path if they're not interested.

Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by fwn on Sunday July 08, 2018 @08:00AM (#17483367)
If the domain owner doesn't provide an email on the website reached through the respective domain itself it's probably a signal that they don't want to be approached.

So ideally, in case they don't provide an email, one would not do that.

Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by hahla on Sunday July 08, 2018 @09:05AM (#17483587)
I have purchased a number of websites from individuals who have had a private Whois or no means of contact listed on their website. It requires a significant amount of sleuthing but the point is these people all sold their sites anyway. You may not ever be actively looking to sell but it’s short sighted to not provide a means of contact for an asset that has value and can be sold.
Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by fwn on Sunday July 08, 2018 @09:10AM (#17483605)
You might find it short sighted, but that does not mean that people shouldn't have a choice.

I get offers for my domains, all unwanted.

If I at some point decide to sell one of those to one of them, all the cold approaches from the past don't suddenly get legitimized.

edit: as I'm writing this, I remember that this is quite similar to the selling of social media IDs. Some random crypto start up decided that they should try to bully me to sell them my three letter Twitter handle. Really annoying.

Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by jek0 on Sunday July 08, 2018 @10:53AM (#17484045)
The same reasoning should then apply to everything you own: there should be an organization forcing you to put your email address or phone number on your car, on your house, ... Even if you have no plans to sell those assets, let people contact you if they want to buy them (or help you sell them).
Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by otterlicious on Sunday July 08, 2018 @11:41AM (#17484307)
My county assessor's office maintains a database of property owners in my area and their contact information. They have a convenient website where I can access this information at any time.

My state department of motor vehicles maintains a database of vehicles registered in the state and the contact information for their owners. While they do not have a convenient website for querying this data themselves, they make it available to third parties in bulk, and I can obtain individual records for those third parties convieniently using their websites.

Both these databases are mandated by my state legislature. So it seems the same reasoning does apply.

Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by mmt on Sunday July 08, 2018 @11:22PM (#17487757)
One difference is that the state also provides title to these assets, with all the legal protection that this does (or does not) imply.

Another difference is that this contact information does not, AFAIK, include recipient-paid [1] contact methods such as mobile phone (including text) and e-mail. Also, methods such as phone are generally considered far more intrusive that, for example, paper mail.

[1] nowadays this is mosty nominal, but we're not quite at zero

Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by gist on Sunday July 08, 2018 @04:00PM (#17485868)
> If the domain owner doesn't provide an email on the website reached through the respective domain itself it's probably a signal that they don't want to be approached.

Not true. Many people don't realize the value of what they have. And/or they won't see a message because of spam etc (could argue that this happens with whois also but generally the more clues the better).

Note that with physical real estate it is often purchased by someone wanting a property that has no sale sign. Also (per my other comment) there are many people who don't know the value of what they have.

So it's not a signal at all in many cases (I have over 2 decades of first hand knowledge of this btw.)

Besides it all comes down to price. You may not want to sell your house but if someone comes to offer you 3x what you paid you might listen to them. You may 'not want to sell' for what the market price is. Selling prices for domains are all over the map.

Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by blattimwind on Sunday July 08, 2018 @10:10AM (#17483877)
Write to {info,admin,webmaster}@...
Re:European regulators reject latest proposal by ICANN over ... by Darkskynet on Sunday July 08, 2018 @11:39AM (#17484291)
I would say most domain owners don't have any of that setup. So any emails sent to any address at that domain will fail to send.