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Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by walrus01 on Friday July 06, 2018 @08:01PM (#17476028)
Serious question, once the things that still work have been repaired, resold, or dismantled for parts to repair other things. Is there ANY way that with north American labor costs and insurance, OSHA standards, pollution regulations, energy costs etc, that it's economical to start melting down printed circuit boards for metal recovery?

Because either I am guessing this article is delusional, or they're completely ignoring the part where the dirty messy work gets done by people in a poor country for $1/hour wages.

Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by guywithaphone on Friday July 06, 2018 @09:29PM (#17476331)
if you're going into business for recycling or refurbishing, you're probably not taking a shotgun approach and doing everything. Specialisation is key. Is your focus on gathering electronics, refurbishing, refining metals, being a middle man, etc.

Yes, there are lots of people who legally refine precious metals from electronics and make a living. There are also lots of people who are middlemen and sell it to others.

High value metals like gold are refined by LOTS of companies.

"Mining " gold from dumps could be very productive because the concentration is MUCH higher in electronics than in the most productive gold mine. Profitable Gold mines typically mine and process an average of more than 2000-4000 pound of ore to obtain one ounce of gold!

It is much more environmentally conscious (In some instances more profitable) to recycle electronics than to mine for precious metals.

Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by kwiens on Friday July 06, 2018 @09:19PM (#17476306)
Nope, the items with negative value cause significant problems. CRT displays are the largest design problem that recyclers are working their way through.

Just this week, ECS Refining, Apple's main recycler in California, shut down. All of their unprocessed material is now the responsibility of their landlord. https://resource-recycling.com/e-scrap/2018/07/03/ecs-refini...

Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by MisterOctober on Friday July 06, 2018 @11:49PM (#17476868)
^ fact. I work for a refurbishing company, and while some of the scrap generated gets a decent payout from the recycling folks [the best common category being old PII and PIII boards / older finger boards AKA controller cards], the negative value stuff like CRTs, fluorescent lamps, and Ni-Cad batteries is awful to deal with. The big CRT operation in my state shut down a while ago, so now they have to be sent out of state i.e., cost more now to offload.
Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by walrus01 on Friday July 06, 2018 @09:26PM (#17476326)
Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by iamgopal on Saturday July 07, 2018 @05:56AM (#17477865)
Believe it or not but 1USD per hour is not poor country. Poor country be like 1 USD per day.
Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by danieltillett on Saturday July 07, 2018 @05:11PM (#17480597)
Due to inflation is not possible to live on 1 USD per day anymore as the cost of food alone is higher than this.

Even in the poorest countries labour costs are at a minimium of 1 USD an hour.

Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by coldtea on Sunday July 08, 2018 @09:00AM (#17483562)
Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by danieltillett on Sunday July 08, 2018 @06:11PM (#17486535)
Wage rates are not the same as wage costs.
Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by bodas on Saturday July 07, 2018 @10:19PM (#17481825)
It is certainly possible to meet all of one's nutritional requirements on 1 USD per day of food, especially if you have a chicken to provide eggs.

If working 48 hour weeks, 1 USD per hour is $208 per month, which is a modestly good wage in some places. Not really the minimum, although probably so for a very dirty and unpleasant job in a recycling factory.

Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by DanBC on Sunday July 08, 2018 @09:04AM (#17483577)
About 80% of the world lives on less that $10 per day, and about half live on less than $2.50 per day.
Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by danieltillett on Sunday July 08, 2018 @06:11PM (#17486543)
Yes, but how many live on $1 a day.
Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by azernik on Friday July 06, 2018 @08:13PM (#17476065)
The article mentions a mostly-automated setup - which is why it focuses on metal recycling, which is probably easier to automate than component reuse.
Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by morganvachon on Saturday July 07, 2018 @01:57PM (#17479609)
I can offer a little insight. One of the companies I work for buys salvage/returned merchandise (mostly electronics, computers and related devices, office furniture, appliances, etc). We go through the items sorting out what is worth reselling as is, what requires further inspection and repair, and obvious junk beyond repair. The items requiring inspection and/or repair go to me, and about half of what I look at is considered "open box" or "damaged box", gets a cursory inspection, is run though the paces and checked for functionality, and sent on to the people who list it on various online marketplaces. About a fourth of the remaining items sent to me are repairable, which I do and send on to the sellers listed as "seller refurbished". The remaining portion is sent to the junk pile if I can't repair it or if it's missing too many parts to be worth selling. I will sometimes hold back a valuable part (power supply, special cable, etc) from an unsellable part to use for a similar item in the future.

From the junk pile, we sell by weight to recyclers who either break the items down into recyclable parts themselves, or sell them on to firms that handle what they can't, including extracting rare metals from circuit boards. To my knowledge, such firms are based here in the US, but I don't know enough about that side of the chain to name any.

Re:E-waste mining could be big business and good for the planet by MisterOctober on Friday July 06, 2018 @11:53PM (#17476882)
You're right, most of the stuff is sent to China or elsewhere for actual extraction, due mainly to the environmental factors associated with processing [electronics are made of nasty stuff]. Labor's a factor as well, though the North American companies who do this have got their processes nailed down efficiencywise