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Re:Self-driving cars are headed toward an AI roadblock by brudgers on Thursday July 05, 2018 @02:50PM (#17465777)
At the scale of Alphabet, $1.25B about 1% of of 2017 revenue and about 5% of operating income. [1] Alphabet isn't betting the future on it. Relative to the automotive industry sixty thousand vehicles in 2018 compares to about 100,000,000 vehicles worldwide per year. [2] Compared to the number of cars in my driveway and the balance of my checking account, the numbers are big. At industrial scale, they are small. If all 60k vehicles were registered in California, it would look like rounding error on the 36,000,000 vehicles registered there. [3]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_Inc.

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry#By_year

[3] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/wcm/connect/5aa16cd3-39a5-402f...

Re:Self-driving cars are headed toward an AI roadblock by abathur on Thursday July 05, 2018 @03:38PM (#17466153)
The Alphabet-scale comparisons are fair wrt to whether this is a "big" bet or not, but trying to minimize this via comparison to total world sales or California registrations less so (given that a primary promise of transit AVs is that they may replace many privately-owned vehicles).

While some have projected how many traditional vehicles they can displace, I don't think anyone really knows how that'll play out. I doubt any of these companies will go making bets that obviously rival the scale of traditional vehicle sales/ownership at the time they're made, especially before they get a sense of how reliable AV transit affects the decisions individuals make about car ownership as they face major maintenance, repairs, and replacement.

I've read one projection that says each could replace 10 traditional vehicles. If that worked out, it seems like a bet on 10m vehicles, enough to replace all 100m sold worldwide, would be astonishingly bold. If you assumed an initial scope of the entire US, the equivalent bold bet would be 1.7m vehicles. If you reduced the scope to California, that bet would be about 200k vehicles. If we guess that the difference between "astonishingly bold" and "bold" is an order of magnitude, these would be reduced to 1m, 170k, and 20k...

Re:Self-driving cars are headed toward an AI roadblock by Symmetry on Thursday July 05, 2018 @03:02PM (#17465850)
Corporations like Alphabet don't spend 1% of their revenue on something unless they're very confident it will pan out.
Re:Self-driving cars are headed toward an AI roadblock by brudgers on Thursday July 05, 2018 @03:16PM (#17465966)
Alphabet spent $12.5 billion on Motorola Mobility in 2011 and sold it to Lenovo for $3 billion three years later. The lost $9+ billion? Nobody really noticed. For Alphabet, $1 billion is mad money, not the rent. Self driving cars are a moonshot.
Re:Self-driving cars are headed toward an AI roadblock by ipsum2 on Thursday July 05, 2018 @03:23PM (#17466032)
The 9 billion was spent on patents. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola#Motorola_Mobility_dea...

Specifically, this section:

"According to the filing, Google and Motorola began discussions about Motorola's patent portfolio in early July, as well as the "intellectual property litigation and the potential impact of such litigation on the Android ecosystem".

Although the two companies discussed the possibility of an acquisition after the initial contact by Mr. Rubin, it was only after Motorola pushed back on the idea of patent sale that the acquisition talks picked up steam.

The turning point came during a meeting on July 6. At the meeting, Motorola CEO Sanjay Jha discussed the protection of the Android ecosystem with Google senior vice president Nikesh Arora, and during that talk Jha told Arora that "it could be problematic for Motorola Mobility to continue to exist as a stand-alone entity if it sold a large portion of its patent portfolio".

In connection with these discussions, the two companies signed a confidentiality and non-disclosure agreement that allowed Google to do due diligence on the company's patent portfolio."

Re:Self-driving cars are headed toward an AI roadblock by notahacker on Thursday July 05, 2018 @04:59PM (#17466798)
On the other hand, irrespective of how confident they are that things will pan out, corporations like Alphabet and Fiat Chrysler have no problem whatsoever with issuing press releases saying that Fiat Chrysler is willing to sell up to 62k Pacificas to Alphabet within the next few years under an agreed framework if Alphabet decides it's made enough progress to actually spend 1% of its annual revenue on more cars.
Re:Self-driving cars are headed toward an AI roadblock by ummonk on Thursday July 05, 2018 @03:17PM (#17465977)
You mean like Nest and Google Fiber?