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Re:Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed ... by ajmurmann on Wednesday July 04, 2018 @08:03PM (#17460077)
It's easy to blame European lawmakers. However, Europe is a much harder market to operate in with our without laws that add bureaucratic overhead. Europe is really several much smaller markets. If you want to launch your startup in Europe you are likely only going to initially launch in let's say the French or German market. To get to the other markets you have not only to translate your product, but redo marketing, adjust to additional laws, maybe even sightly adjust the look and feel of your product to the new country you are expanding to. In the US you generally have access to a humongous market in one swoop. Americans tend to pad themselves on the shoulder a lot and think it's because of better rhetoric l entrepreneurial spirit and better regulation, but the inherently fractured market is by far the biggest disadvantage for European startups.
Re:Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed ... by dogma1138 on Thursday July 05, 2018 @04:36AM (#17461725)
Don’t overestimate the effect of mentality, and the fact that startups in the EU pay less, much less and offer basically no equity even to single digit employees.
Re:Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed ... by vsl on Friday July 06, 2018 @03:30AM (#17469642)
It may not be only that, but it sure as hell plays an important role.

I am EU-based developer, the majority of my customers are in EU, and I pay a US company 8.9% of revenue to avoid the crippling VATMOSS bureaucracy - because it’s cheaper that way. Not avoiding VAT, mind you, I still collect the enormous 20+% tax on sales, just avoiding the associated hassle.

And that’s just one example.

Re:Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed ... by adilmoujahid on Thursday July 05, 2018 @02:33AM (#17461256)
How can you explain that most Europeans use US services: Amazon, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Dropbox, AirBnB, Uber?
Re:Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed ... by aries1980 on Thursday July 05, 2018 @06:32AM (#17462129)
These are not just US services. They are isolated to one specific location, where the capital of talent and finance met. There are reasons why these companies didn't emerge in Idaho or Arkansas. Europe had its own issue at the era when the current VCs emerged: the Soviets were still there, Britain had way more people beneath the poverty line, Norway hasn't found its oil yet, etc. But we are catching up.
Re:Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed ... by gregorygoc on Thursday July 05, 2018 @02:42AM (#17461284)
Every single company you named targets for European markets, thus Europeans use them.
Re:Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed ... by adilmoujahid on Thursday July 05, 2018 @03:04AM (#17461373)
I got that, but the previous comment argues that the heterogeneity of the European market is the main reason for the difficulty of launching successful companies rather than European lawmakers. This argument doesn't explain the success of American companies in Europe.
Re:Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed ... by Flimm on Thursday July 05, 2018 @03:36AM (#17461517)
I suppose the argument would be that those companies launched in the USA first, were successful there, and then had enough capital and resources to launch in the tougher more fragmented European markets.
Re:Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed ... by edanm on Thursday July 05, 2018 @04:45AM (#17461756)
That argument is probably correct.

Here in Israel, which is often considered one of the closest "startup capitals" to Silicon Valley, what almost any new company will do is just lunch in the US, since it's an easy market. Most wouldn't launch in Israel, since it's such a small market (8 million people).

A few will launch in Europe, but because of all the issues mentioned above (different laws, languages, cultures, etc), the US is a much more attractive first target.

Once they get big, they might then move to Europe.

Re:Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed ... by thecleaner on Thursday July 05, 2018 @06:16AM (#17462076)
This is a very good strategy. I guess it should be hard to execute but once you perfect it basically the small market problems are gone. Any idea whats the general way startups go about doing that ? Also how do you immigrate to Israel (:D) ?
Re:Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed ... by edanm on Thursday July 05, 2018 @06:56AM (#17462252)
It's usual to start a company here in Israel, then have one office (or one person, or a salesperson) in the States. So development will continue in Israel, but product/sales/management will be in the States.

That's by no means the only way, but it's a common one.

There are a few accelerators/etc who specialize in helping Israeli companies approach the US market and get exposed to Silicon Valley.

Other than that, most of the problems are kind of the same as with any startup - trying to build something people want. The biggest issue is if "things people want" is different in Israel and the States, and that's why exposure to the US market right from the start is so important.

As for immigrating to Israel - I don't really know much about the topic. If you're Jewish, it's incredibly easy, but if you're not, then I have no idea how the process looks like. Sorry.

Re:Spanish Wikipedia also shuts down in protest at proposed ... by petre on Thursday July 05, 2018 @06:58AM (#17462259)
The lack of equaly competitive European offerings is to blame. Tax, regulatory and bureaucratic overhead is to blame for the former. Most of the interesting European tech is done in universities and dies there. Americans also have a much more pragmatic attitude towards business.