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Re:We discovered three poisonous books in our university lib... by garmaine on Monday July 02, 2018 @05:06PM (#17445329)
EDIT: The obvious retort is "what about microwaves?" After all kitchen microwaves operate on the same frequency as your home WiFi. Your desktop microwave acts not by harmonics with the rotational frequency of water, a common myth, but by that that effect I mentioned of smaller frequency back-scattering and thermal agitation. Your counter-top microwave emits 1kW of power into the food put inside it, which is 100-1,000x as much as your cell phone antenna puts out. And it does so inside a closed cavity instead of an omnidirectional antenna. At that power and with full absorption, thermal effects are no longer negligible.

That's why, for example, technicians working with cell phone tower and microwave antenna installations turn off equipment before standing near the transmitter. They do take proper safety precautions. But the concern here is cooked meat, not some abstract radiation or bio-poisoning thing that will cause cancer 10 years down the line.

The concern over cell phone radio emissions started in part due to the large amount of anecdotal reports from those technicians of insects suffering die off near transmitter stations and migratory birds flying straight into the things, killing themselves. But we shouldn't be surprised -- these insects and birds have large organs meant to sense magnetic fields which operate as crude radio antennas, making them actually sensitive to the EM radiation being put out. But this really isn't any different than, say, deer getting trapped by bright headlights on a dark road, and we shouldn't take it as evidence that the same mechanism might be affecting human beings.

Then again, if you for whatever reason have a conductive surgical implant anywhere near your head or pocket, I wouln't suggest using a cell phone or laptop (on your lap). The concern is not great, but that does put you in the same situation as those insects and birds. I wouldn't be worried about the devices used by poeple around you though (1/R^2 laws and all that).

Re:We discovered three poisonous books in our university lib... by crazynick4 on Monday July 02, 2018 @09:37PM (#17446808)
Thanks for the post, that's all really great information (I just have a stats background, not a physicist/chemist).

My immediate concern based on what you said, and not to go off on a tangent here, would actually be for the bees. You mentioned that it is the frequency and not intensity that matters for humans - is it the same case for the animals/insects that are sensitive to the frequencies?

If we are effectively shining flashlights in their faces, increasing the intensity with each successive generation of wireless, can it eventually affect their ability to pollinate? Birds pollinate as well, to a lesser extent, so it would be the same concern here, on top of the pest control and general ecosystem balance that they provide.

Re:We discovered three poisonous books in our university lib... by garmaine on Tuesday July 03, 2018 @01:46PM (#17452234)
The short answer is I don’t know, but if I read your question correctly I suspect the answer is “not much impact, if any.” Cell transmission towers would be dangerous at close range, but cell phones themselves would be like flashlights as you say, but not bright ones, and probably not noticeable at all, except at very close range. They’re not listening to these frequencies.

I would think it perhaps analogous to ultrasound. Our electronics are giving off all sorts of ultrasonic noise that we can’t hear (but sometimes annoy dogs and millennials). We have ears capable of hearing, but not at those frequencies. But you could nevertheless expect hearing loss if you put a 1kW ultrasonic beacon right next to your ear.