Re:Digicert Withdraws from the CA Security Council
by beefsack on Sunday July 01, 2018 @11:27PM
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It's FUD to say encryption doesn't matter without authentication - unencrypted traffic is eavesdroppable by default and exposes you much more broadly than just being exposed to one potential bad actor.
Of course using authentication is vastly superior, but lacking it doesn't render encryption useless.
Re:Digicert Withdraws from the CA Security Council
by azernik on Monday July 02, 2018 @12:42AM
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Without authentication, a man in the middle is indistinguishable from your intended target, so you are exposed to anyone on the network path.
Re:Digicert Withdraws from the CA Security Council
by laumars on Monday July 02, 2018 @02:05AM
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Lets be clear, we're not talking about self signed certs here. An attacker would still need to prove they have ownership of the domain to get a non-EV CA-signed certificate which makes a MITM attack highly challenging to the point of being down right impractical to accomplish successfully. Its not simply not a large enough threat level* to worry about since it would require either DNS spoofing (in which case why bother with a MITM anyway since you now have ownership of the traffic you can just steal people's cookies and get log in directly), or access to the domain owners email (in which case gaining access to their infrastructure becomes significantly easier depending on where it is hosted) or attacking the clients PC to install your own CA certificate (in which case yiu might as well just install a RAT or keylogger and capture inputs for all websites and thus save yourself the trouble of MITMing only one specific single domain).
* I mean if your business is online banking then it's a little different. But for 99.9% websites out there having EV isnt necessary.
Re:Digicert Withdraws from the CA Security Council
by KMag on Monday July 02, 2018 @03:44AM
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Anyone in the network path and willing to expend the computational power to decrypt and re-encrypt your traffic. Unauthenticated encryption still dramatically increases the cost of mass surveillance.
Re:Digicert Withdraws from the CA Security Council
by snowwrestler on Monday July 02, 2018 @12:13PM
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Browser makers must not agree with you, because self-signed certificates get huge warnings, but HTTP connections get at most a little "Not Secure" notice in the address bar.
Re:Digicert Withdraws from the CA Security Council
by msh on Monday July 02, 2018 @02:46AM
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If people are on unencrypted wifi at a coffee shop anybody can passively get your credentials or see what you post.
A MITM attack requires more work to pull off.
Re:Digicert Withdraws from the CA Security Council
by Already__Taken on Monday July 02, 2018 @03:32AM
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You might not care who you're talking to but you do probably care that you're still talking to the same/single anonymous person.
The entire concept of encryption presupposes that you care who you're talking to. If you don't, then why not just broadcast your message in the clear?