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Re:Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out ... by WheelsAtLarge on Sunday July 01, 2018 @06:16PM (#17437961)
Sure, at its basics, society has needs, known or unknown, good or bad so companies are created to fill the needs. Companies survive if they reach enough people with their solution.

Sure there are ways to manipulate needs but at its basics companies are supposed to benefit society by filling those needs.

We are fed the idea that companies are created to profit the investors but profits are a side effect of meeting needs.

Re:Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out ... by 3minus1 on Monday July 02, 2018 @02:03PM (#17443984)
What about a company that happily sells guns and bombs to both sides in a Civil War? They are filling the needs of individuals to decimate society.
Re:Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out ... by davnicwil on Sunday July 01, 2018 @07:18PM (#17438258)
More specifically, profits are a side effect of meeting sufficient numbers of individuals' needs. It does not necessarily follow that meeting the needs of those individuals benefits society at large.

Profits are also a side effect of meeting needs today. It does not necessarily follow that meeting needs today benefits society in a meaningful way in the longer term.

For what it's worth, I think your implication is true. Clearly most companies create wealth and deliver benefit to society, it's that aggregate effect that makes capitalism the most successful system we know of under which to run a society.

But the reality is that it's entirely the other way around: companies do exist to profit their investors and it's the benefit to society that's the (usual, aggregate) side effect. It's not good, or bad, it's just a fact.

Re:Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out ... by jadedhacker on Sunday July 01, 2018 @10:40PM (#17438985)
Profits are also a side effect of grabbing surplus value from their workers. Just sayin'
Re:Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out ... by HeyLaughingBoy on Monday July 02, 2018 @01:02PM (#17443382)
No, not really. If only it were that simple.
Re:Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out ... by jadedhacker on Monday July 02, 2018 @10:28PM (#17447021)
It's trivially true. A worker produces something and gets a fraction of their value paid back to them. They would not have been hired if it were not so.
Re:Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out ... by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday July 03, 2018 @02:40PM (#17452678)
That part is true, but that's not what you said. Getting profit from that surplus is something else entirely.
Re:Tesla meets self-imposed deadline for Model 3, rolls out ... by Bendingo on Sunday July 01, 2018 @11:33PM (#17439178)
> profits are a side effect of meeting needs

It's the other way around.