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Re:Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was un... by pmontra on Saturday June 30, 2018 @06:09PM (#17432991)
It's also very bumpy. More like a normal road than a race track. A team manager once told me that not every driver can go full throttle on the longest straight because of the bumps.
Re:Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was un... by KozmoNau7 on Sunday July 01, 2018 @04:57AM (#17434748)
It may even be bumpier than the current standard for German public roads, which are generally of exceedingly high quality.

Most people know about the unrestricted sections of the autobahn, and it is certainly fun to flog a rental Opel Corsa with a 1.0L 3-cylinder engine to 160kph, while being overtaken like you were standing still by various Porsches and big BMW/Mercedes/Audis.

But the real fun is that the general speed limit is 100kph (62mph) off the autobahn and outside of towns, even for relatively small and curvy roads. Couple this with the generally very high standard of German roads, and you can have a hell of a lot of fun within the speed limit.

I'm in southern Germany at the moment, visiting my girlfriend's family. The winding roads in the Schwarzwald area are absolutely amazing to drive, even in the little Corsa we're renting. You have to really flog it in second gear to get any speed going uphill, but it is so damn rewarding. And you notice so many other people doing the same, in all kinds of cars and on motorbikes.

I know it's a bit of a cliché, but driving enjoyment really is part of the German mentality.

Re:Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was un... by blattimwind on Sunday July 01, 2018 @06:02AM (#17434912)
> It may even be bumpier than the current standard for German public roads, which are generally of exceedingly high quality.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/794/698/475...

> But the real fun is that the general speed limit is 100kph (62mph) off the autobahn and outside of towns, even for relatively small and curvy roads.

Well they certainly remain to exist, but sadly there is a tendency since ~10 years or so to stick a 70 speed limit anywhere where the road deviates the tiniest bit from a ruler. Nowadays they are often coupled with "no overtaking" signs. Apparently the level of driving skill has sunk so low, that people neither know how fast they can drive through a curve, nor can they realize for themselves that overtaking in a curve is forbidden anyway and they shouldn't need signs to remind them of that.

> I'm in southern Germany at the moment, visiting my girlfriend's family.

In the south road conditions are a bit better, but still many municipal and country roads are in either poor or piss poor condition.

Re:Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was un... by KozmoNau7 on Sunday July 01, 2018 @10:59AM (#17435816)
Up north, I expect the roads to be more similar to the ones in Denmark that I'm used to, ie. potholed, frost damaged and sort-of repaired.

Honestly, you have no idea how good you have it road-wise, compared to Denmark or the UK or especially the US.

Down here in the Schwarzwald/Schwaben area, they really are in amazing condition and the majority of roads are still 100kph or at least 80kph in the trickier sections. Sure, there are a few villages with blanket 30kph limits (WTF) and the occasional 70kph sections around tricky intersections. But other than that, it's very good still, and 100kph on some surprisingly curving roads. Mostly unlimited autobahn too, although I know they're reigning that in as well.

Re:Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was un... by sandworm101 on Sunday July 01, 2018 @11:14AM (#17435887)
>> Honestly, you have no idea how good you have it road-wise, compared to Denmark or the UK or especially the US.

But roads are easy when in a small country with a dense population like Germany. Heck, you can drive from one side of Germany to the other in a single tank of gas. Compare that to properly large roads like those in Canada, or Russia. (I'd add Australia but the weather is so good there that they have no word for pothole.)

How small Germany is compared to one of Canada's medium-sized provinces.

https://mapfight.appspot.com/de-vs-british.columbia/germany-...

Re:Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was un... by KozmoNau7 on Sunday July 01, 2018 @11:51AM (#17436035)
Not a lot of that is very densely populated though, and doesn't need very many roads. You need to compare areas with roughly the same population density, and when I do that, Danmark and the UK and the US completely fail to measure up to Germany.

The average population density of Germany is ~46 times greater than British Columbia. So yeah, obviously you get some long stretches of badly-maintained roads in BC. That wasn't my point, though.

The roads in comparable situations between Denmark and Germany lean very heavily towards Germany having much higher quality. For goodness' sake, they'll put up "Straßenschäden" signs for even tiny little holes in the asphalt. In Denmark, they won't put up a warning sign until someone falls in, and sometimes not even then.

Re:Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was un... by blattimwind on Sunday July 01, 2018 @12:00PM (#17436091)
> The average population density of Germany is ~46 times greater than British Columbia.

... and accordingly traffic is much denser, and roads will see a lot more wear.

Re:Porsche shatters the Nürburgring record we thought was un... by dakna on Sunday July 01, 2018 @01:56PM (#17436641)
>I'm in southern Germany at the moment, visiting my girlfriend's family. The winding roads in the Schwarzwald area are absolutely amazing to drive,

I learned to drive there. Recommend this route:

Sasbachwalden > Seebach > Ottenhoefen > Allerheiligen > Ruhestein

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/77887+Sasbachwalden,+Germany...

Have fun! The race is always won on the corners, not on the straights ...