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Re:Can Elon Musk and Tesla Reinvent the Way Cars Are Made? by kemiller on Saturday June 30, 2018 @01:01PM (#17431588)
Tesla has one durable advantage: supercharger network. There is nothing remotely comparable and it limits the utility of their competitors. Until that changes they have a pretty good moat.
Re:Can Elon Musk and Tesla Reinvent the Way Cars Are Made? by dmoy on Saturday June 30, 2018 @01:21PM (#17431681)
I keep seeing this touted in every Tesla thread. But then every time I go look it up, the closest supercharger network to me in a metro area of ~4m people is like a 45-60 minute drive away. There's like 2-4 total chargers in the entire metro area, and they're all way out there.

The total capacity of superchargers for this metro area of 4m people is like a couple dozen charging spots.

I don't see why this is a relevant part of the discussion.

Re:Can Elon Musk and Tesla Reinvent the Way Cars Are Made? by njarboe on Saturday June 30, 2018 @01:33PM (#17431742)
Supercharges are for people traveling long distances and need to charge up quickly after using up their battery that was fully charged over night. People in a city need to have a charger at home or at work for daily use.
Re:Can Elon Musk and Tesla Reinvent the Way Cars Are Made? by kemiller on Saturday June 30, 2018 @07:01PM (#17433188)
They are not for routine use, they enable long distance travel, which is pretty impractical without them.
Re:Can Elon Musk and Tesla Reinvent the Way Cars Are Made? by compcoffee on Saturday June 30, 2018 @01:07PM (#17431617)
BP just bought a large charging company, while Tesla has suspended their program.

Honestly,how hard do you think it is for a gas station to provide chargers? It isn't rocket science.

Re:Can Elon Musk and Tesla Reinvent the Way Cars Are Made? by extra88 on Saturday June 30, 2018 @01:25PM (#17431706)
Most gas stations don't have the real estate. It takes 20 minutes just to charge to 50%. Charging needs to happen where people are already going to spend time while their car is busy charging; home, work, commuter parking lot/garage, mall parking lot, etc. Highway rest stops with gas stations and fast food could add chargers in the parking lot and adapt to people eating there instead of only stopping long enough to pee and get take-out/drive thru; it will make long road trips take longer but not acceptably so.
Re:Can Elon Musk and Tesla Reinvent the Way Cars Are Made? by JackCh on Saturday June 30, 2018 @02:38PM (#17432078)
Most gas stations will realize they have the real estate once they calculate how many additional hotdogs those bored EV drivers will buy while they're waiting for their charge.
Re:Can Elon Musk and Tesla Reinvent the Way Cars Are Made? by TaylorAlexander on Saturday June 30, 2018 @01:23PM (#17431694)
I googled for “Tesla suspend supercharger” and got no relevant looking hits.

Are you saying Tesla is putting supercharger rollouts on hold? I just listened to the latest shareholder meeting and I don’t believe I heard anything like that. Usually they’re always expanding that network.

Re:Can Elon Musk and Tesla Reinvent the Way Cars Are Made? by kemiller on Saturday June 30, 2018 @07:08PM (#17433206)
There are chargers here and there but the fastest of them are half the speed of the superchargers and that makes a big difference. And the superchargers are methodically placed to enable long trips. It’s not about the free energy — Which is what has suspended — It’s about freedom of movement. Teslas can replace a gas car for almost everything; without that infrastructure no other EV can (yet).
Re:Can Elon Musk and Tesla Reinvent the Way Cars Are Made? by cowmix on Saturday June 30, 2018 @01:56PM (#17431857)
They bought the network to retard it's growth at best.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_encumbrance_of_large_au...

Re:Can Elon Musk and Tesla Reinvent the Way Cars Are Made? by MBCook on Saturday June 30, 2018 @02:01PM (#17431877)
The problem is gas stations are not exactly high profit businesses, so I doubt they’ll want to pay to install them.

Unless BP wants to eat the cost the way Tesla did it might take a long time to get a good network of chargers available.