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Re:The Tyranny of the Rocket Equation (2012) by vkou on Friday June 29, 2018 @03:54PM (#17427346)
The problem with beamed propulsion is that you still need a rocket, or some equivalent thereof to stop going, whenever you get to your destination.

Not an issue for flybys, but an issue if you want to get into an orbit.

Re:The Tyranny of the Rocket Equation (2012) by stcredzero on Friday June 29, 2018 @04:14PM (#17427498)
The problem with beamed propulsion is that you still need a rocket, or some equivalent thereof to stop going, whenever you get to your destination.

False. Robert Forward has a technique for deceleration for interstellar lightsail craft, which is described in Rocheworld and one of his science books. Magsails using beamed particle propulsion can also exploit the interstellar medium to decelerate without onboard fuel.

Not an issue for flybys, but an issue if you want to get into an orbit.

Carrying a small rocket for a circularization burn is vastly cheaper than a 1st stage. This is covered in Jordin Kare's modular laser launch proposal, and this technique was also considered for Bull's light gas space gun. Those can produce launch economics approaching those of space elevators.

Re:The Tyranny of the Rocket Equation (2012) by Alupis on Friday June 29, 2018 @06:49PM (#17428446)
> False. Robert Forward has a technique

Sorry, but you're citing a science fiction author as proposing a credible method, yet don't even state what that method is.

Yes, I know Robert Forward used to work in aerospace, but his fiction writings are... fiction. He's been out of the industry since 2002 and a hand-wavy "he has a technique" doesn't strike me as being particularly credible.

Re:The Tyranny of the Rocket Equation (2012) by abecedarius on Friday June 29, 2018 @07:54PM (#17428732)
Skyhooks (rotating tethers). Energetically they're like an elevator with a counterweight. They're also another non-rocket answer for the outbound leg.
Re:The Tyranny of the Rocket Equation (2012) by stcredzero on Friday June 29, 2018 @08:23PM (#17428836)
I think Venus might have an economic edge in the early days of the trans-Solar System economy, because the whole of its civilization will be floating at high altitude. Even without orbital rings and space elevators, everything will have very cheap access to space through skyhooks.
Re:The Tyranny of the Rocket Equation (2012) by abecedarius on Friday June 29, 2018 @09:59PM (#17429099)
Lots of solar power, too, and lightsails and magsails have more to work with.

(I was thinking of free-space skyhooks, exchanging momentum between inbound and outbound trips, but the ones for planets are also cool. Just harder when the planet is heavy like Earth and Venus.)

Re:The Tyranny of the Rocket Equation (2012) by mLuby on Friday June 29, 2018 @03:59PM (#17427405)
Or just a mirror ahead of the spacecraft!