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Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by Baeocystin on Friday June 29, 2018 @03:40PM (#17427171)
There is one important difference: withdrawal from something like alcohol can actually kill you. Withdrawal from marijuana makes you an irritable asshole for a week or two.

The hardest part is understanding and coping with the issue that drives the user to use marijuana so heavily in the first place. If it can be understood what need the marijuana use is providing for, changing use patterns becomes possible.

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by zyxwvu on Friday June 29, 2018 @04:04PM (#17427441)
Marijuana abused to self medicate is frankly cheaper than paying for mental health medication and therapy. It's also fast acting and has only minor negative side effects as opposed to taking several weeks to take effect and for any negative side effects (these can be rather bothersome or bad) to go away. Not to mention that's if that particular medication works for you. Going through several types, change in doses, etc can go on for a year or more easily.

In my experience however, withdrawal only takes a few days, I don't recall being any more irritable than before except that marijuana makes me less prone to irritations to begin with, and the thing that's the worst is the boredom.

It's what do you do with your time? Work can keep you occupied and busy, but at home the activities you are likely going to do you did with marijuana. Video games and television/movies are harder to 'feel' interested in. Eating high is just really enjoyable. And trying to sleep is difficult especially when you know you could just smoke some pot and drift off instead of being too bored and restless to sleep.

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by RickS on Saturday June 30, 2018 @02:05AM (#17429700)
>Marijuana abused to self medicate is frankly cheaper than paying for mental health medication and therapy.

This implies that self medication has an outcome comparable to paying for mental health medication and therapy.

I would assert that it does not.

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by njarboe on Saturday June 30, 2018 @02:20PM (#17431992)
Mental health medication and therapy cost more?
Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by davymac on Saturday June 30, 2018 @03:24PM (#17432315)
Without health insurance, yeah, it’s way cheaper.
Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by lightbyte on Friday June 29, 2018 @03:44PM (#17427227)
>withdrawal from opiates ... can actually kill you

Opioid withdrawal is actually not fatal at all barring potential dehydration from excessive diarrhea/vomiting.

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by Baeocystin on Friday June 29, 2018 @03:48PM (#17427269)
I edited that out. Apparently most opiate related deaths during withdrawal are due to a person wanting 'one last hit', but choosing a dose that they no longer have the tolerance for.
Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by bonesss on Friday June 29, 2018 @05:47PM (#17428098)
A potent argument for legalization of opiates, IMO.

Something as simple as concentration percentages on packaging, as we have with booze, and smart usage pamphlets could save a lot of lives.

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by Baeocystin on Friday June 29, 2018 @06:11PM (#17428231)
I don't disagree. I think Portugal's experiment has proven that decriminalization is the best path forward pretty conclusively.
Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by mimimihaha on Saturday June 30, 2018 @01:47PM (#17431803)
This is a genuine question but legalization but still making kind of difficult to get or just all out legalization and selling it wherever?
Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by Baeocystin on Sunday July 01, 2018 @02:49AM (#17434453)
Legalization along the lines of what we're currently doing with alcohol and tobacco.
Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by trentlott on Saturday June 30, 2018 @02:31AM (#17429757)
That's why we differentiate between addiction and dependence.

Alcohol dependence prevents cold turkey for some people.

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by kimbojimbo33 on Friday June 29, 2018 @09:02PM (#17428954)
What do you think of Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome?
Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by hsienmaneja on Friday June 29, 2018 @03:42PM (#17427202)
Pot destroys lives in part by being so apparently benign.
Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by Baeocystin on Friday June 29, 2018 @03:46PM (#17427246)
Whatever problems drive a person to use pot as a crutch are the source issue. Pot abuse itself (or any maladaptive behavior) is best thought of as a symptom, not a cause.
Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by DanBC on Saturday June 30, 2018 @03:19AM (#17429866)
This just isn't true.

Please stop denying that cannabis itself cannot ever be a cause of severe harm.

I strongly support legalisation, but for that to happen we must accept that some cannabis users are going to be caused harm.

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by Baeocystin on Sunday July 01, 2018 @04:48AM (#17434726)
I did not claim that cannabis doesn't have the ability to cause harm, nor would I. My point is only that drug abuse should be taken as a symptom of a deeper cause.
Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by hsienmaneja on Friday June 29, 2018 @03:50PM (#17427304)
If someone is self medicating with pot, and pot is making their lives worse (which is the case for some users), the pot is a problem in and of itself.

Drug culture itself is riddled with such booby traps. Fallaious street wisdom backed by egos and peer pressure are powerful tools to indoctrinate a child into an unexpected lifetime of addiction to substances such as pot.

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by Baeocystin on Friday June 29, 2018 @04:53PM (#17427789)
>Fallaious street wisdom backed by egos and peer pressure

That's what I am trying to get at- problems stem from earlier sources. Whether someone eventually gets hooked on something is a consequence of earlier failure. Whatever drug/habit is ultimately picked up in the aftermath is a genuine negative, which will have its own particulars. But it is not the initial causative agent. This is an important distinction to make, because otherwise we're just rearranging deck chairs instead of managing the fundamental issue.

To expand context, when considering appropriate drug policy at a governmental level I think Portugal's experience is important to study:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radic...

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by hsienmaneja on Friday June 29, 2018 @05:53PM (#17428134)
No, drug use isn’t consistently picked up in the aftermath of disaster. It’s often near the beginning, and lubricates destructive behavior, even pot.

Pot absolutely catalyzes issues in people’s lives. Many would be far better off not using it at all.

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by Baeocystin on Friday June 29, 2018 @06:10PM (#17428225)
>It’s often near the beginning, and lubricates destructive behavior, even pot

I think we are talking past each other. I fully agree that many would be better off never using anything at all.

My point is that by the time someone gets to the point where drugs/gambling/addiction can act as a destructive catalyst, they're already well on their way to a negative future due to earlier causes.

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by DanBC on Saturday June 30, 2018 @03:20AM (#17429868)
> My point is that by the time someone gets to the point where drugs/gambling/addiction can act as a destructive catalyst, they're already well on their way to a negative future due to earlier causes.

Do you have anything at all to support this?

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by Baeocystin on Sunday July 01, 2018 @03:02AM (#17434478)
Sure. Start here and follow the sources. Portugal's results from their drug law shift in particular are strong evidence.

(the first bit of the linked article is, well, clearly written for the huff post. But the meat of it well worth the read)

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6506936

Re:Marijuana addiction is real, and rising by hsienmaneja on Saturday June 30, 2018 @02:18PM (#17431969)
A child with an undeveloped mind gets stoned and is profoundly impacted by it. The act of getting into pot in the first place is the divergent event that led to the deteriorated life path in some cases. The pot use itself is a root cause for the child, and they would have been better off never having got into it at all.

As for destructive catalysts, no, not all people are well on their way to a negative future when they take up such habits. The drugs/gambling etc are the destructive behaviors that should be avoided altogether or stopped as a priority.

Considering the well documented effects of high grade pot, it’s fairly easy to see that a normal child can be profoundly impacted by pot. Their entire lives get off track after getting into weed. So, no, not all people that mess up their lives on pot were well on their way to a negative future.