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Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by slededit on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:04PM (#17419575)
It certainly solved a lot of problems, the US is at full employment now. It took over a decade for interest rates to start ticking up with the exception of the housing market and stocks. The money supply is only one factor in inflation, velocity is the other and it has been extremely low for a long time.
Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by tpm on Thursday June 28, 2018 @04:32PM (#17420228)
Some EU countries are at more or less full employment too. I wonder how long that will last.

What the article does not mention is that of course many people from Southern Europe have migrated north to find work. We now see for example young people from Spain coming to Eastern Central Europe (V4 countries), I think that's happening for the first time in history.

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by vivafrance on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:06PM (#17419596)
Inflation is rampant in many areas right now. It’s dishonest to claim inflation is low because TVs are still cheap when house prices, healthcare, and education are exploding. Furthermore, if the unemployment rate was as low as is advertised we would be seeing wage growth. The fact that wages are not rising is evidence that the unemployment numbers are fudged. The fact that Trump was elected is evidence that the majority of people are unhappy with the “recovery”.
Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:10PM (#17419625)
> if the unemployment rate was as low as is advertised we would be seeing wage growth

Median usual weekly real earnings for Americans 16 and over were 5% higher in Q1 2018 then they were Q4 of 2007 [1]. From Q1 2014 to Q1 2018, we've seen that statistic grow at about 1% per year (CAGR).

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by markkanof on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:20PM (#17419705)
But that increase in wages does not seem to be keeping up with inflation, which translates to a net loss for the average person.

http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/united-states/histor...

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:22PM (#17419723)
> that increase in wages does not seem to be keeping up with inflation

In economics, the "real value of a good or other entity has been adjusted for inflation" [1]. The statistic above is thus inflation adjusted. Nominal wages (i.e. those not adjusted for inflation) are up close to 30% between May 2007 and May 2018 [2], or 2.3% per year [3].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_versus_nominal_value_(eco...

[2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES0500000003

[3] (26.9 / 20.84) ^ (1 / 11) - 1

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by lifty on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:36PM (#17419816)
Are housing, healthcare and education costs included in the inflation numbers?
Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:41PM (#17419856)
> Are housing, healthcare and education costs included in the inflation numbers?

Yes, CPI includes housing, healthcare and education. The only measures commonly stripped out are food and energy, to exclude commodity volatility; that measure is presented as "core inflation" and is more useful when considering things like interest rates than real wages.

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by vivafrance on Thursday June 28, 2018 @04:19PM (#17420133)
You’re wrong. House prices aren’t included anymore in CPI. Imputed rents are. These are very different things.

Anyways, I’m sure all this falls on deaf ears. If you used the same calculation the Fed used in the 80s to measure inflation we’d currently be at 10%. You can pick and choose and weight whats in the cpi basket to get any number you want and the government is incentivized to make it appear lower.

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday June 28, 2018 @04:55PM (#17420416)
> House prices aren’t included anymore in CPI. Imputed rents are

CPI calculates something called "owners’ equivalent rent of residences" [1]. This is reasonable as nobody purchases a new house every year; instead, one "uses" a portion of the home value over time. When house prices go up, this measure goes up by a similar measure.

Housing was put into CPI in 1954, when it was included as a user-cost item. It was replaced in the early 1980s because user-cost methods include "ex ante expected gain" while usage pricing "includes actual ex post realized capital gains on the house" [1].

> If you used the same calculation the Fed used in the 80s to measure inflation we’d currently be at 10%

Well, yes. You'd be excluding everything invented since 1980, e.g. all modern technology. We don't spend the same fraction of our budget on hams and eggs, as the 1980 definition measured, and most people have health insurance costs now.

If someone insists on living like it's 1980, I suppose observing the old metric would be perfectly valid.

[1] https://www.bls.gov/opub/hom/pdf/homch17.pdf page 104

[2] https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/1980/06/1980b_b... page 558

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by vivafrance on Thursday June 28, 2018 @04:59PM (#17420448)
> When house prices go up, this measure goes up by a similar measure.

That’s only true if you assume interest rates aren’t falling. Artificially low interest rates have inflated the actual price of housing while keeping monthly payments fairly steady.

The Fed is then able to say “look, no inflation!” despite actual prices rising very rapidly.

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday June 28, 2018 @05:04PM (#17420477)
> Artificially low interest rates have inflated the actual price of housing while keeping monthly payments fairly steady

There's a case to be made for each approach. Given we have excellent ways of measuring house prices, but no great ones for cost of living, having CPI measure the latter and thus usage--instead of user costs--seems reasonable. (We don't include stock appreciations and declines in inflation, for example.)

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by djrogers on Thursday June 28, 2018 @10:12PM (#17421895)
Those interest rates didn’t fall over the past decade, they stayed very consistently low, so the rise in house costs caused a rise in mortgage payments and imputed rents.
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Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by markkanof on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:23PM (#17419729)
It does not seem necessary to ascribe racism as a motivation to a very large group of people who you don't know. Especially when the second sentence of your second point is spot on and can easily stand on it's own.
Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by s73v3r_ on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:34PM (#17419801)
Given the outcome of things, it seems very disingenuous to pretend that it wasn't a part of his election.
Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by Reactionary_ on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:50PM (#17419926)
What outcome? You think enforcing border security and enacting a travel ban on countries identified by the Obama administration as terrorist threats somehow shows racism was a significant part of Trump's election?

Those are common sense policies for most people and have nothing to do with racism. Law, order and regimented immigration processes are not racist, though people who want open borders for the express purpose of "making America brown" most definitely are racist. You should check your biases.

Maybe Clinton was just a terrible candidate and Trump was on the right side of many policy issues? No, that couldn't be the case at all. Must be the racism.

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by s73v3r_ on Thursday June 28, 2018 @03:33PM (#17419791)
It's also dishonest to claim that inflation is rampant and that the unemployment numbers are fudged.
Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by walshemj on Thursday June 28, 2018 @04:13PM (#17420091)
Governments always fudge employment figures and inflation lol

You just define your inflation metric to suit normally by ignoring things that have gone up more eg housing and including things that are deflating like say TV's and white goods.

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by dragonwriter on Thursday June 28, 2018 @05:19PM (#17420567)
> Governments always fudge employment figures and inflation lol

Some governments might, but governments actually need this information for planning, so ones with even modest levels of transparency are unlikely to do much of it, because it would be too easy to detect if it wasn't the only count, and because it would foul their own planning if it was.

> You just define your inflation metric to suit normally by ignoring things that have gone up more eg housing and including things that are deflating like say TV's and white goods.

Yes, one could in theory do that, but what country specifically does that (with citations to specific supporting information)? Many countries report many different inflation indicators some designed to isolate particular contributions that add noise (either because of high seasonality or high-but-irregular volatility), but they tend to also have measures which include those figures, which tend to be the main figure.

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by walshemj on Friday June 29, 2018 @02:50AM (#17422870)
No offence that's very naïve
Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by s73v3r_ on Thursday June 28, 2018 @05:15PM (#17420543)
"Governments always fudge employment figures and inflation lol"

Citation needed.

Re:Southern Europe Has Not Seen Net Job Creation in over a D... by walshemj on Friday June 29, 2018 @02:51AM (#17422876)
Thatcher's tory government encouraging doctors to put long term unemployed on disability is well known in the UK.

An the inflation that's direct from some one who works in the ONS in the UK