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Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by foldr on Thursday June 28, 2018 @06:03AM (#17415512)
>Basic things like selecting a word using the keyboard would take one of three key combos depending on which app. I think sometimes it was ctrl-shift-arrow, sometimes alt-shift-arrow and sometimes fn-shift-arrow.

Whereas all Linux GUI applications follow a completely consistent set of keyboard bindings...

Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by ajross on Thursday June 28, 2018 @10:10AM (#17416976)
Yes! Exactly! It's the only environment where I can rely on all text entry working with emacs keybindings, though to be fair I have to poke a setting to get that.

Oh wait, you were being sarcastic. Well, at least you were wrong and learned something I guess.

(No seriously, you're wrong here. Linux desktops solved the uniform keybinding problem in a cross-desktop way like a decade ago. You just don't like it because they're different, not because they're inconsistent.)

Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by foldr on Thursday June 28, 2018 @11:47AM (#17417875)
All text entry works with emacs keybindings on OS X without having to poke at a setting. Or rather, one setting per toolkit:

https://superuser.com/questions/171925/enable-emacs-like-key...

>You just don't like it because they're different, not because they're inconsistent.

I didn't say anything about not liking Linux keybindings. It's a minor issue for me personally.

Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by ajross on Thursday June 28, 2018 @11:59AM (#17417996)
Sorry, I took your sarcasm to imply that linux desktop keybindings were inconsistent. If that's not what you mean (I mean, reading it again, I'm really pretty sure that's what you meant), then I apologize.
Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by foldr on Thursday June 28, 2018 @12:10PM (#17418111)
They are inconsistent between applications/toolkits. I was saying that this is not a big issue for me personally.
Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by reitanqild on Thursday June 28, 2018 @01:37PM (#17418918)
You still forget that I mentioned text selection shortcuts. They've been fairly consistent across 20 years of Windows and every major Linux Desktop environment.
Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by reitanqild on Thursday June 28, 2018 @10:35AM (#17417176)
Both linux and Windows seems to get basic text selection right, yes.

Of modern desktop os-es, Mac OS X was the only one who has ever consistently surprised me on this.

It might not be a big deal to everyone but for me who

- deal with text day out and day

- and prefer to keep my hands at the keyboard (even when I have a nice trackpad)

small thing like this matters.

Just like details like a good trackpad matters to other people I guess.

Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by foldr on Thursday June 28, 2018 @11:46AM (#17417869)
The text selection shortcuts are completely consistent on modern OS X, in my experience. At least, I can't find an app where shift+alt+right_arrow doesn't select a word.
Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by reitanqild on Thursday June 28, 2018 @01:39PM (#17418932)
I've moved on but between 2009 and 2012 this changed from application to application.
Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by yellowapple on Thursday June 28, 2018 @12:58PM (#17418591)
I've also yet to find an instance in macOS where Emacs-style text navigation shortcuts didn't Just Work™ automatically. One of the few things about macOS that I actually like relative to the average Unix/Linux desktop.
Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key... by jjtheblunt on Tuesday July 03, 2018 @03:17PM (#17452899)
they have been for 30 years, NeXTstep and non-NeXTstep MacOS. I think Larry Teslar of Apple (long ago now) was part of that. Also, TextFields in the NeXT and now Apple codebase know various Emacs key bindings by default.