Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key...
by terminalcommand on Thursday June 28, 2018 @02:18AM
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Linux doesn't cut it for me after I've tried a BSD. It isn't as bad as Windows, but BSDs have a certain kind of elegance. And because the things you can do on them are limited (browsing and coding) and there aren't as many packages you are much more focused.
Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key...
by umanwizard on Thursday June 28, 2018 @02:14AM
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> zcat in particular just doesn't work
?
I used `zcat` on macOS just today. What issue do you have with it?
Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key...
by lgbr on Thursday June 28, 2018 @02:46AM
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The issue with Apple's unix environment is that it comes with BSD tools. A lot of functionality that you'd expect to work doesn't end up working, which can be frustrating. You have to go through some pretty annoying steps [1], which are more involved than the steps required to get a Linux environment on Windows [2].
1: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/69223/how-to-repla... 2: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10
Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key...
by umanwizard on Thursday June 28, 2018 @09:33AM
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The zcat that comes with macOS works fine.
Learning how to use the BSD tools is not that hard.
Also, you mean GNU environment I guess, not Linux environment.
Re:Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Key...
by jonathankoren on Thursday June 28, 2018 @01:34AM
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> The Apple one was a pain. Command line tools are almost but not quite right (zcat in particular just doesn't work)
That's because it's BSD, and are you sure you don't want gzcat?
The Apple one was a pain. Command line tools are almost but not quite right (zcat in particular just doesn't work) and I found the user experience pretty annoying at first but passable after that. Still don't really understand how "installing software" is supposed to go, and lots of struggle against Homebrew and lots of other software packaging.
Windows had WSL when I got my laptop. Real Linux command-line, nice. Filesystem performance was crap, and they didn't have postgres at first, but it was probably a better dev environment than my Mac, with one exception: no Docker in Windows 10 home. Explorer started getting a bit slow and unstable after a while, but I was on preview releases.
A couple of months ago I quit my job, and yesterday I formatted my home laptop to install Linux again (decided to put my hobby project onto a Docker-heavy workflow) and oh my God it's lovely. Installing packages is fast again, software compatibility goes without saying, and Unity was surprisingly pleasant (though I did drop it for i3 because I'm a masochist.) Hard to say how much of that experience is "Linux is nice" and how much is "I'm a Linux person" though.