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Re:Amazon Workers Facing Firing Can Appeal to a Jury of Thei... by optimuspaul on Monday June 25, 2018 @04:18PM (#17395441)
PIPs are the worst. I've seen them basically emotionally destroy people when they were probably not the right tool. In many of those cases firing would have been better for them.
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Re:Amazon Workers Facing Firing Can Appeal to a Jury of Thei... by philjohn on Monday June 25, 2018 @05:10PM (#17395819)
I've only ever seen one person successfully negotiate a PIP and keep their job (for another year, until they took a much better offer at a company that paid them more and treated them better).

The biggest thing is to ensure that the targets in the PIP are both realistic and measurable. All too often I've seen people being asked to meet a bar far higher than is possible (and not even met by top achievers at a company) and with no real way to measure it other than "if I think you're doing good enough".

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Re:Amazon Workers Facing Firing Can Appeal to a Jury of Thei... by orangecat on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:21AM (#17397837)
I've seen them basically emotionally destroy people when they were probably not the right tool.

Yeah, it's a silly game where everyone has to pretend there's a chance you can "succeed". When in reality it's "rather than firing you and dealing with severance and lawsuits, we'll keep paying you for a few months while you find a new job, and then we'll agree that you voluntarily resigned". An employee who doesn't realize that is going to have a bad time, and would in fact be better off fired.

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