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Re:Model predicts we're the only advanced civilization in th... by gus_massa on Monday June 25, 2018 @09:10AM (#17392087)
A signal with compressed data does not look like white noise. It looks like a sine or cosine wave that is around a well defined frequency, and the intensity/phase/frequency changes from time to time. The hops may look random, but the carrier signal is easy to spot.

If they use frequency hoping, the changes in the frequency are even more regular. It's more difficult to measure the exact signal, but all the hops are inside an interval.

Re:Model predicts we're the only advanced civilization in th... by sliken on Monday June 25, 2018 @10:35PM (#17397488)
You are describing FM, which does dump quite a bit of power into the carrier wave.... which is exactly why it's not used if you care about range/efficiency.

Check out things like "Olivia_MFSK" on wikipedia for something more current. It can transmit even with 14dB below the noise floor.

Seems like a any sane communication method for any galaxy spanning civilization would be: * encoded in such an advanced way that we wouldn't see it, even if using signals within our physics. * be highly directional

Maybe something like 1% of the asteroid belt would be converted into communication sats that could form a swarm that would over a few ns significant outshine the sun by focusing a signal on whoever you want to communicate with.

Of course typically the cloud of sats would be handling within the solar system communications or nearby stars that didn't require the entire cloud.

I do wonder if you could capture say 0.01% of the solar radiation for 24 hours and with 50% conversion frequency generate a single for 1 ns on the ideal frequency... could you outshine the galaxy on that frequency?

Of course the ideal frequency would be minimally blocked by dust and minimally generated by stars. The "Water hole" as mentioned by Seti (among others) would be a good start.

Re:Model predicts we're the only advanced civilization in th... by erikpukinskis on Monday June 25, 2018 @09:45PM (#17397306)
You’re probably more of an expert but what you’re saying is totally unintuitive to me.

If a signal carries the “this looks like a signal” information in addition to the source information itself... isn’t that a waste of bandwidth? Wouldn’t an ideally encoded stream be indistinguishable from noise?

I can understand for practical reasons leaving some bandwidth on the table to make it easier to detect signals, but when talking about advanced alien life forms we have to assume they are playing closer to the limits of physics.