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Re:Model predicts we're the only advanced civilization in th... by TheOtherHobbes on Monday June 25, 2018 @04:08AM (#17390721)
I suspect your second and third points contradictveach other.

We literally have no idea what a >10^6 more advanced civ would look like.

There’s a kind of parochialism about these arguments. They seem to assume that aliens will be flying around the galaxy communicating by radio in big metal boxes or giant rocket powered rocks looking for planets to xenoform.

But in the same way that ants can’t see a human city around them, it’s possible humans will see no evidence of an advanced civ that isn’t doing any of the things we expect technology to do.

Re:Model predicts we're the only advanced civilization in th... by Chathamization on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:57AM (#17391597)
> We literally have no idea what a >10^6 more advanced civ would look like.

Yep. We don't even have much of a clue about what our own civilization will look like a few hundred years from now, it seems insane to pretend we would know what a far more advanced alien civilization would look like. Imagine showing someone from a thousand years ago a picture of suburbia and them saying, "Nope, this place must be abandoned...no one is growing crops on the land, there are no wells around, deer and other wildlife are walking around houses without being hunted. Must be no humans there." Even just a few decades ago a lot of people thought we would be building cities under the seas by now (hey, maybe not everyone would do it - but with billions of humans, it would only take a few splinter groups).

It's also worth pointing out that even a civilization at our level existing at the nearest star would be undetectable to us in most circumstances (even in the extremely unlikely event that the timing matched up).

Re:Model predicts we're the only advanced civilization in th... by kulu2002 on Monday June 25, 2018 @10:12AM (#17392547)
These can be very stupid questions; but I always ponder over it 1. Is this our assumption that extra terrestrial life will have same chemistry/ biology/ consciousness as human beings? 2. What is definition of Life and Intelligence for E.T life. The phenomenon what we call life can be completely different for E.T. being. This is more or less same as que 1 3. It seems we have also assumed that our civilisation is advanced. In terms of what? Is our definition of advancement (and also civilisation) applicable to E.T life? 4. Consider a highly advanced civilisation millions of light years away from us finds Pioneer plaques. Even after finding these plaques they don't (wish to ;-)) communicate with us... does it mean that civilisation is not sufficiently advanced?
Re:Model predicts we're the only advanced civilization in th... by raducu on Monday June 25, 2018 @12:49PM (#17393800)
Technologically advanced.

Meaning: likes to explore, accumulate knowledge/understanding, harness the laws of physics for its own betterment/pleasure.

Re:Model predicts we're the only advanced civilization in th... by the6threplicant on Monday June 25, 2018 @06:32AM (#17391258)
But that's the beauty of this calculation it just takes one splinter group of one splinter group and they could easily populate the whole galaxy in under 10-100 million years - which, being the conclusion that Fermi found, is nothing at the time scales of when our galaxy was formed.
Re:Model predicts we're the only advanced civilization in th... by pavlov on Monday June 25, 2018 @05:10AM (#17390951)
Also, less than 5% of the universe is observable to us. The rest we're calling "dark matter" and "dark energy" because we have no idea what it is. There's a lot we don't know that billion-year-old civilizations may have figured out to use.