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Re:Why Do They Hate Us? by jayp on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @08:32PM (#1737878)
I do.

At many/most well-known US research universities, a tenure-track position in Engineering (and possibly, Sciences too) is up for evaluation after six years from start of hire. The exact term may vary from institute to institute, but is six for most of the top universities. At that point, they either give you promotion (i.e., tenure) or a one-year notice (i.e., fire you).

Note that this is not "full" tenure, this is technically a promotion from Assistant to Associate Professor. However, it is still tenure, and you can keep the job for life. It doesn't have the prestige of a full tenure. Full tenure is likely to follow, if you keep similar pace, in 3-5 more years.

In summary, tenure can be had in as little as 6 years after completing PhD for professors in Engineering. But, those are probably the 6 hardest working years of their life. Makes the PhD almost feel like a cakewalk.

Re:Why Do They Hate Us? by scott_s on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @10:10PM (#1738085)
And this does not include postdocs. CS is unusual that some people can go straight from grad school to professorship - I've seen it happen many times - but most sciences require at least one postdoc. I can't speak for engineering.
Re:Why Do They Hate Us? by crystalis on Tuesday September 28, 2010 @09:24PM (#1737994)
To generalize from a few anecdotes, the Humanities professors that "do" something can get their Association card in as little as 5 years. (e.g., notable book, visible research, department responsibilities...)
Re:Why Do They Hate Us? by billswift on Wednesday September 29, 2010 @01:51AM (#1738439)
In other words, "20 years" is for a layabout?
Re:Why Do They Hate Us? by enjo on Wednesday September 29, 2010 @02:37AM (#1738518)
I can't imagine there is a school in existence that would let someone flounder about for 20 years without tenure. Even lower level schools generally make a tenure/fire decision at year 5.