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Re:Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech ... by StreamBright on Friday June 22, 2018 @04:06AM (#17372309)
First of all, I am an immigrant. I am not sure why you think that ICE criminalize anybody? How is this even possible? People violate the law are criminals. Trying to enter the US illegally is a crime. Pretty plain simple. I do not like the ICE but I had pleasant experience with them even when I tried to enter the US (unknowingly) illegally once. They helped me through the process, fined me (following the law) and I was pretty ok with that.
Re:Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech ... by wencha on Friday June 22, 2018 @06:30AM (#17372901)
For some reason, the conversation here and in some other places is dominated by people who want open borders, and therefore don’t believe entering a country without permission is illegal. Such an argument would never fly in real life, so I don’t know why so much time is wasted arguing with them. It feels like some kind of elaborate trolling, saying something super crazy and waiting for answers (baiting).
Re:Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech ... by int_19h on Friday June 22, 2018 @06:58AM (#17373009)
Most people appalled at what's going on aren't arguing for open borders. They do want borders, and some degree of border security. What they're saying is that at some point, the amount of suffering you have to cause to reach that level of security is simply morally unacceptable.
Re:Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech ... by KirinDave on Sunday June 24, 2018 @04:57PM (#17388351)
Until recently it was a federal misdemeanor of minor import. There really is no reason to run excessive immigration centers from a logistical standpoint in a modern society. It's a legacy concept from days when things like air travel were not readily available to the masses.

You assume that there NEEDS to be some kind of border enforcement. It's not clear why that needs to include detention camps, armed guns, tent cities for children, no logistical support for reuniting asylum seekers with their children, or intimidation tactics.

That is, unless you think South Americans are fundamentally different and less worthy than their North American cousins in some axiomatic way that says, "Only the top N% of you are worthy of joining our society." This is especially true because the US really doesn't have substantial social services (or those that we do have are teetering on the edge of collapse) to fund compared to other first world countries who proportionally spend much more of their budget on entitlements.

Seriously? What makes YOU more entitled to be here than someone else? The answer is: there are probably many people who'd like to be here that would have similar positive (or negative) impacts on society. It's only because of implicit exceptionalism in American culture that we assume there is chaff to filter out.

Re:Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech ... by troubador55 on Sunday June 24, 2018 @10:45PM (#17389586)
No we have to filter people because if we did not there would be chaos, and everything that makes America a great place to live would disappear.

You seem to not understand how the world works at a fundamental level.

Re:Amazon employees protest sale of facial recognition tech ... by KirinDave on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:09PM (#17402796)
> No we have to filter people because if we did not there would be chaos, and everything that makes America a great place to live would disappear.

Prove it.

> You seem to not understand how the world works at a fundamental level.

You seem to believe in magic and suggest it's essential to the world. You think America is fundamentally different. It's really not. It's rich, that's the difference, and a difference that's fading over time as its imperialism is curbed by progress elsewhere. It's largest ideological plurality is Christian, which is just as violent and hate-prone as any other religions.

It's not special. It's already chaotic. We could trivially improve the immigration process to make the waits less than 10x. We could even tax immigrants more than legacy citizens to offset that cost, if we wanted.

But what people actually want is to pretend that they're special. That only the best of the rest of the world match up with their mediocre life. It'd be funny if it wasn't leading to scaled human rights abuses and mass child trafficking by the human government.