Re:Zen Magnets: 6 Years of Battle End in Victory
by jonhendry18 on Friday June 22, 2018 @07:04PM
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"3. So would improved packaging and public education campaigns on the potential dangers of the product, which were happening at the same time, and"
So would limiting sale to industrial supply houses like McMaster-Carr rather than "Happy Fun Magnet Toy Yum Yum Company"
Re:Zen Magnets: 6 Years of Battle End in Victory
by monochromatic on Thursday June 21, 2018 @10:12PM
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> the cost of being able to have these magnets on your desk is probably dozens or hundreds of kids getting very sick
No, that's the cost of everyone being able to have these magnets on their desk. The pro rata cost of me being able to have them is quite small.
Re:Zen Magnets: 6 Years of Battle End in Victory
by toss1 on Friday June 22, 2018 @11:36AM
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I'm all for the magnets, and Zen's solution of education (vs the CSPC's banhammer solution).
However, this argument is exactly wrong -- it would create another commons problem, where your individual interest is against the interest of the group, and so everyone acting in their individual interest creates a big problem.
(fortunately, with education and careful use, we can avoid the common problem)
Re:Zen Magnets: 6 Years of Battle End in Victory
by jenkstom on Friday June 22, 2018 @02:26PM
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That is the marginal cost, which generally tends to zero. It's not a very effective argument in this case.
Re:Zen Magnets: 6 Years of Battle End in Victory
by monochromatic on Friday June 22, 2018 @03:37PM
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marginal != pro rata
Several points:
1. Suspected magnet ingestion =/= magnet ingestion. I believe we should stop here, however:
2. Of course a total ban on sales (which was in effect for some time) would decrease this number, but
3. So would improved packaging and public education campaigns on the potential dangers of the product, which were happening at the same time, and
4. If you actually read the paper, they observe that the reduction in the suspected ingestion cases was not that large: from 8,326 to 6,260. Perhaps you should include that in your cost function.
5. Also from the paper: 86% of the kids were "treated and released from the ED or examined and released without treatment"
To put the nail in the suspected coffin, one should go and read the article you referenced: [SciHub link][1]:
>Subjects from 0-17 years old were included using a primary search term for diagnosis of “ingested object” from the time period of 2002-2015. Cases of ingested objects were classified as “suspected magnet ingestion” (SMI) if the term “magnet” appeared anywhere in the narrative section of the database.
Meanwhile, a million kids ended up in emergency rooms from trampoline-related injuries over a decade[2], and no one bats an eye.
[1]http://sci-hub.nu/10.1097/MPG.0000000000001830
[2]https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/7-terrifying-statistics-tramp...