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Re:Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet by throwaway37585 on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @12:31PM (#17348112)
Markets are a prerequisite for liberal democracy.
Re:Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet by pnathan on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @02:44PM (#17349250)
> Markets are a prerequisite for liberal democracy.

That is an assertion, and my recollection of history suggests that is not the case. Would you mind backing that up?

Re:Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet by throwaway37585 on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @03:42PM (#17349693)
Can you give an example of a liberal democracy without markets?
Re:Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet by pnathan on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @03:50PM (#17349772)
Mmm- no, I don't think that's how this works. You're dodging the question.

(markets have multiple definitions. a bazaar or person to person trade has existed as an independent variable of governance. a stock market ("the market" usually referred to in these sorts of articles) exists today in a wide variety of modern governance, from authoritarian to liberal. Arguably Athens had a liberal democracy, but no stock market)

Re:Beijing Wants to Rewrite the Rules of the Internet by throwaway37585 on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @03:57PM (#17349826)
> Mmm- no, I don't think that's how this works.

How what works?

> You're dodging the question.

I'm not. Every liberal democracy I know of has a market economy.

> a stock market ("the market" usually referred to in these sorts of articles)

Why should "markets" refer exclusively to stock markets? What about the most essential type of market: commodities? Markets have existed for millenia, since humans began to trade.

> exists today in a wide variety of modern governance, from authoritarian to liberal

I didn't say liberal democracy is a prerequisite for markets (and I don't think it is). I said markets are a prerequisite for liberal democracy.

> Arguably Athens had a liberal democracy, but no stock market

But they had markets, which agrees with what I said. In fact, ancient Athens engaged extensively in trade. It's one of the major reasons it became an important center of culture, arts, and philosophy.