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Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by xg15 on Saturday June 16, 2018 @06:51PM (#17329917)
> he wanted to be able to subscribe to people's pages and get updates when they post something new.

Yes, but even this feature would be more like a traditional browser: A service-neutral, "dumb" feature where the user is directly in control. Not in an abstract marketing sense but literally: A user subscribes to a page and will get all events from tha page in predicatable order.

The "news feed" as implemented by Facebook and envisaged by Pocket is something completely different. You "subscribe" to pages alright. But this is simply a hint that gets fed into a curation algorithm. What you then see is a selected subset of events from your subscribed pages, in addition to "related" content and content the algorithm things you might find interesting. The algorithm used is of course constantly being changed and optimized towards a metric you probably don't even know. In short, with that kind of system, the user is very much not in control.

> I came home and investigated – the option to "subscribe to page" when the page has an RSS feed is gone from Firefox, or at least I couldn't find it.

Apologies for being cynical, but I'm not surprised. I'll be bold and assume that you can make money with curated feeds (or letting other people try out their curation algorithms on your userbase) but you can't make money with RSS.

Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by class4behavior on Saturday June 16, 2018 @07:46PM (#17330124)
You've explained where Facebook's likely interest lies, but not why that feature is actually popular.

I don't see any difference with how HN and Reddit attract people. They all seek the added social aspect to reading news; and Facebook is just what people know.

>Apologies for being cynical, but I'm not surprised.

Luckily cynicism doesn't equal realism. FF devs often make data-driven decisions, and none of the devs showed interest fixing all the accumulated bugs. So they left this to matter to add-ons, the big button was eventually stored away and the one in the address bar abandoned for Pocket. No sneaky marketing strategies involved.

Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by Techonomicon on Saturday June 16, 2018 @08:38PM (#17330302)
Reddit and hn are quite different in the sense that HN actively (allegedly) attempts to fight against clickbait / mislabeled titles where resdit (in general) leaves that up to the subreddits to manage which (in general) do nothing.
Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by class4behavior on Sunday June 17, 2018 @07:33AM (#17331929)
Indeed, but it's the same concept, just different target groups.
Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by xg15 on Sunday June 17, 2018 @03:53AM (#17331365)
What was the data-driven decision in that case? You mean they looked at plugin usage stats and realized Pocket had more usage than the built-in RSS feature?
Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by class4behavior on Sunday June 17, 2018 @07:32AM (#17331924)
>What was the data-driven decision in that case?

That based on telemetry data the RSS feature was barely used in general. I haven't seen any commentary that suggests any relation with their support for Pocket.

Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by shock on Sunday June 17, 2018 @08:20AM (#17332064)
Is it surprising people don't use a feature they don't know exists? This is a catch-22 problem.

I would very much like to see a banner at the bottom of the new tab page introducing RSS and how it can be used, similarly to how Mozilla did for Firefox Sync.