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Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by bhhaskin on Friday June 15, 2018 @11:13AM (#17320289)
Why can't my web browser just browse the web? Why does it need to be a news feed as well?
Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by trendia on Saturday June 16, 2018 @03:47PM (#17328982)
I moved to the ESR branch specifically to get a web browser that just browses the web. (It's the default in Debian for that very reason!)

However, version 60 added pocket, along with other "features" such as the optional Firefox experiments (where, if you opt in, they track your user behavior to improve the browser).

Guess I'll be looking for a new browser again.

Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by windlep on Saturday June 16, 2018 @04:00PM (#17329065)
Hover over pocket area on new tab, click the '...' in the top right, click "Remove Section", done.

Firefox is about letting you control your browser experience, that's why the ability to easily remove options you might not like will always exist. If/when this ever changes, that would be a significant departure from their Mission statement.

Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by trendia on Saturday June 16, 2018 @04:22PM (#17329180)
> Firefox is about letting you control your browser experience

The true history of Pocket suggests otherwise -- in 2015 Mozilla integrated Pocket, which was at that time a private company separate from Mozilla, into Firefox.

Further, when Mozilla first integrated it into Firefox, there was no way to remove it, only hide the icon:

> "This page http://help.getpocket.com/customer/portal/articles/1999137-h.... purports to tell you how to disable Pocket for Firefox, yet all it does is remove the button from the toolbar. Searching "pocket" in about:config reveals numerous preferences that can be edited, including browser.pocket.enabled which remains set to true after following Pocket's instructions."

Only after severe backlash [0] did Mozilla decide the best way to handle it was to purchase Pocket.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9667809

Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by windlep on Sunday June 17, 2018 @12:13AM (#17330841)
You can disable Pocket. Once disabled, there is no change in the browsing experience.

> The true history of Pocket suggests otherwise -- in 2015 Mozilla integrated Pocket, which was at that time a private company separate from Mozilla, into Firefox.

What in this true history you cite indicates otherwise?

Please elaborate on how some config settings are altering your browser experience.

Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by CorpusCalcium on Monday June 18, 2018 @05:29PM (#17341844)
It strikes me as intriguing that people think there was ever a "severe backlash" over Pocket, let alone that it was what would have caused Mozilla to buy Pocket. Why would they not have bought it right away if that was the case? For that matter, why would they have bought it at all?

I fear you're vastly overestimating the effects a few people had on Mozilla's decision to experiment with, then buy a company that could help them potentially gain some actual influence over content-makers and the ad industry, and hopefully reduce their utter reliance on Google's money.

At best, the only thing the criticism over Pocket accomplished was to hasten Mozilla's pre-existing desire to develop these kinds of features as (what became) Test Pilot extensions.

Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by Fnoord on Saturday June 16, 2018 @05:32PM (#17329556)
If people (and, organizations) are not allowed to learn from their mistakes Big Brother is an even more scary thing for our youth than it already is.
Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by stefan_ on Saturday June 16, 2018 @06:10PM (#17329741)
But they don't learn. They keep running head-first into these obvious blunders. Then they write a contrite sounding blog post, change nothing, and do it again a year later.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15421708

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15931730

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9876016

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12441519

Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by Fnoord on Saturday June 16, 2018 @06:32PM (#17329839)
Yes, Mozilla made mistakes (I think you mentioned the biggest ones), but they also did things right. Every of these mistakes was solved. Firefox OS was solved as well; it got us Servo/Quantum. The question is do you forgive their mistakes, or what is your alternative? The most popular browser, Google Chrome, is still worse when it comes to privacy.
Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by yorwba on Saturday June 16, 2018 @11:26PM (#17330738)
> Hover over pocket area on new tab, click the '...' in the top right, click "Remove Section", done.

Thanks, I never noticed the '...' menu. Now my new tabs are refreshingly empty. I just don't understand why a '...' was even necessary, all of the options would still have fit nicely when expanded to a horizontal bar. I blame whitespace-driven design.

Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by forapurpose on Saturday June 16, 2018 @04:13PM (#17329129)
It can. Just don't use Pocket or disable it.
Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by dingaling on Saturday June 16, 2018 @04:51PM (#17329346)
But Mozilla are still pouring mental and financial resources into Pocket, including the servers to host it and power its recommendations. So just ignoring it still leaves a deleterious effect on Firefox overall.
Re:How Firefox is using Pocket to try to build a better news... by Sylos on Saturday June 16, 2018 @07:08PM (#17329989)
They make money off of Pocket. Companies can pay to have their articles be in the pool of recommendable articles.

And it's especially also a different source of income than search engines. They try to differentiate here, in case for example Google's monopoly becomes even more extreme and they push the price down.

And exactly in this vein, a big motivation for Pocket is competing with search engines in general. It tries to be another channel through which users can discover new content, so that Google can't determine everything you believe in without any hindrance.