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Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by em3rgent0rdr on Thursday June 14, 2018 @11:22PM (#17317305)
I don't know why you are being downvoted. That is a very legitimate question. I would think that since trade secret theft is really simply a violation of a private contract, that it should therefore simply be a civil offense. However, it seems that the people who made the U.S. Economic Espionage Act of 1996 [1] (which is what made theft of a trade secret a federal crime) and of The Defend Trade Secrets Act of 2016 [2] (which strengthened that) believe otherwise. From the title of those acts, I'd guess they argued it should be a federal crime because of the risk of foreign entities gaining US company knowledge and/or harm to US economy in general.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Espionage_Act_of_1996 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defend_Trade_Secrets_Act

Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by citrablue on Friday June 15, 2018 @12:47AM (#17317598)
The timing is interesting, assuming it took a few years in draft before being voted to pass. According to a "Jose Canseco" like book called Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, the USSR would frequently attend international trade shows and directly purchase/bribe/steal technology from westerners. But only after the fall of the union did it become a criminal act for an American commit.[0]

Then again, this was also the first period when technology really became ubiquitous. Perhaps it just reflects the spread of tech.

[0] of course treason / violation of oath was a crime, I'm just curious if anyone more versed in history than I can provide more insight.

Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by mattmanser on Friday June 15, 2018 @04:43AM (#17318368)
The late 80s were all hysteria about Japanese firms taking over America. You can see it in a lot of books and films from the era.

There's a really quite odd film called Rising Sun with Sean Connery and Wesley Snipes that has corporate espionage as part of the plot. 1993 release, which was actually just after Japan's economy slowed down.

Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by Spoom on Friday June 15, 2018 @10:03AM (#17319816)
The original Rising Sun book by Michael Crichton is a good read if you didn't know about it. Haven't seen the movie.
Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by hfdgiutdryg on Friday June 15, 2018 @12:42PM (#17321205)
It's a good read, but also full of wild mischaracterizations of Japanese culture.
Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by toyg on Friday June 15, 2018 @11:43AM (#17320576)
The original book was published in 1992, and the writing rate for the author at that point was about two years for each novel, so the idea probably originated around 1990.
Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by ChrisArchitect on Friday June 15, 2018 @10:51AM (#17320156)
upvote for the Jose Canseco reference haha
Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by briandear on Friday June 15, 2018 @12:55AM (#17317619)
The downvotes are because theft of trade secrets is a crime.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1832

It’s not any more a contract case as stealing a rental car would be. It’s not a contract dispute, it’s a violation of a federal criminal statute.

Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by vonmoltke on Friday June 15, 2018 @07:42AM (#17319010)
> The downvotes are because theft of trade secrets is a crime.

That is not a legitimate reason to down vote a question.

Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by giancarlostoro on Friday June 15, 2018 @07:58AM (#17319082)
Sometimes I wish downvotes required a mandatory reply.
Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by IMTDb on Friday June 15, 2018 @08:22AM (#17319196)
Downvoted because I don't agree

(I did not really downvote but you get my point)

Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by giancarlostoro on Friday June 15, 2018 @09:13AM (#17319495)
Ah yes and then downvoting them might be hell. If only there was a good way to determine when to force someone to reply when downvoting.
Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by pc86 on Friday June 15, 2018 @08:36AM (#17319286)
They do require a certain karma threshold which is supposed to prevent people without sufficient context in the HN community from downvoting a bunch of stuff. I also think if you downvote beyond a certain threshold in a certain period of time it stops counting them (to prevent flame threads from devolving into everyone destroying everyone else's Internet Points perhaps).

Perhaps the karma threshold needs to be increased.

Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by ameister14 on Friday June 15, 2018 @09:46AM (#17319716)
I don't think the threshold is cutting it anymore - I've noticed a lot of reddit-like behavior with people downvoting things they don't like or agree with rather than things that don't contribute to the conversation; this is balanced out by other people but it's not something that I saw happen 1-5 years ago.
Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by crankylinuxuser on Friday June 15, 2018 @09:19AM (#17319522)
So only people who can downvote are those that agree with each other? Surely a cursory examination of unintended side-effects was done - it is HN, right?

A mandatory comment as to why someone -1'ed a post should be mandatory. Unless someone is intentionally being abusive/troll, then perhaps we should engage in the lesser popular viewpoints. Not doing so creates one hell of an echo chamber.

EDIT: currently at -1. You're only proving my point, buddy.

Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by pc86 on Friday June 15, 2018 @11:00AM (#17320208)
You can't downvote replies to your comments. So you are at -1 with no influence on my part. :)

I'm not sure mandatory comments would solve the problem. We'd get plenty of the "I disagree." comments. Could those then be downvoted? Does downvoting those upvote the parent? Could I downvote both. Etc.

I don't know the current threshold but increasing it doesn't create an echo chamber. Look at any thread about gun control in the US and you will a lot downvoted comments on both sides and presumably a lot of highly upvoted comments on both sides as well. Not only that but you can only downvote comments until they reach a certain age. You can upvote them much longer (perhaps forever?). This creates a bias toward increasing votes which itself is a good reason to occasionally adjust the thresholds.

Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by LinuxBender on Friday June 15, 2018 @04:02PM (#17323056)
How about stats, similar to serverfault and stackexchange, where you can see how many times the person has upvoted and downvoted?
Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by ska on Friday June 15, 2018 @09:40AM (#17319672)

   ... because theft of trade secrets is a crime.
That's an answer to the (perfectly reasonable) question, not a sensible justification for a down vote.
Re:Fitbit employees charged with stealing trade secrets from... by nerdwaller on Friday June 15, 2018 @01:25AM (#17317687)
Not to mention a public company ($FIT) being involved - potentially exposing a broader audience of investors to indirect exposure of the act, potentially causing ripple effects in a public market.