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Re:20 Reasons We Know the Earth Is Spherical by colanderman on Thursday June 14, 2018 @09:42AM (#17311592)
I'm off the belief that (honest) flat earthers aren't of that belief due to lack of evidence, but rather due to lack of the trust framework necessary to have faith that those interpreting the evidence are interpreting it correctly.

E.g. a lot of the presented arguments presuppose an understanding of geometry, and that it applies to our universe. But for most people, that amounts to trusting mathematicians and physicists, which is in turn founded on trust in the scientific system and ultimately logic itself.

Re:20 Reasons We Know the Earth Is Spherical by forgottenpass on Thursday June 14, 2018 @11:16AM (#17312319)
>rather due to lack of the trust framework necessary to have faith that those interpreting the evidence are interpreting it correctly.

Funny to hear it framed that way, because most of the flat earth trolls - if you can get them to admit to their game - do it to mess with people who take it on faith that the existence of system means that it can produce results. The general person over-assumes "science's" ability to deliver all the time.

Maybe the Earth really is round, but everyone believes bullshit published in $newspaper about $research because "science said so" rather than reading and evaluating the research paper, all the time. We know damn well that the the news is going to misrepresent findings, but once it gets into meme machine called journalistic narrative everyone starts taking it on faith.

See also: the 'sun is cold' troll and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFPtjXFfczM

Re:20 Reasons We Know the Earth Is Spherical by krapp on Thursday June 14, 2018 @10:00AM (#17311706)
>I'm off the belief that (honest) flat earthers aren't of that belief due to lack of evidence, but rather due to lack of the trust framework necessary to have faith that those interpreting the evidence are interpreting it correctly.

...and yet the same people place absolute faith in arguments supporting the flat earth merely because it defies orthodoxy, and also believe the pseudo-scientific rationales behind them.

Re:20 Reasons We Know the Earth Is Spherical by jerf on Thursday June 14, 2018 @10:16AM (#17311817)
I'm pretty sure that if you take the set of flat earthers, subtract the people who don't really believe it and are just having fun being contrary, and then subtract out the mentally ill people, you're left with very nearly an empty set; I'm even more certain that if it's not empty, it's utterly negligible. So analyzing what they place faith in and why without reference to "mental illness" in most cases is probably a waste of time; the surface appearance of putting faith in this or that rationale is not the real story. We're talking about people who are legitimately broken in terms of their ability to understand the world and are often unable to engage with it properly in many other ways, too.

As tempting as it may be to then pivot from my statements here and snark about people of a religious mindset different than yours, or ethical or political mindset different than yours, bear in mind that many such people engage with the world just fine. The sort of thing that we actually call mental illness is a qualitative cut above that sort of thing.

Re:20 Reasons We Know the Earth Is Spherical by posterboy on Thursday June 14, 2018 @02:51PM (#17314317)
You just called a bunch of people morons. Take that in for a second. There's thinly veiled circular reasoning in there somewhere, that amounts to saying that mental illness cannot be understood and these people must be mentally ill, implying this were so because you cannot understand them, but not giving any explicit opinion whatsoever. Ultimately you contradict yourself about their ability to engage with the world, too. This is polemic and very bad.

Ultimately, the message was that thoughts and feelings of mentally impaired people do have no bearing on their illness, or if it did, you wouldn't care. Then why comment, if you don't care?

Re:20 Reasons We Know the Earth Is Spherical by jerf on Thursday June 14, 2018 @03:09PM (#17314462)
"You just called a bunch of people morons"

No, you did. I said they were either deliberately playing or mentally ill, and that you must take that into account if you want to understand. It's the opposite of calling people morons. That was something you brought to this discussion.

Re:20 Reasons We Know the Earth Is Spherical by posterboy on Thursday June 14, 2018 @07:48PM (#17316367)
Calling someone a moron is claiming they are mentally ill. Unless I have lost touch with the world and you think moron translates simply to worthless piece of shit or something of the like.

Edit: I mean, sure, you show some interest, hence my question was actually honest. I didn't expect an honest answer given the attitude, but I had to ask.

Re:20 Reasons We Know the Earth Is Spherical by nikdaheratik on Friday June 15, 2018 @01:49AM (#17317764)
1. No, calling someone a moron does not always mean you're making the claim that they either have a learning disability, or are mentally ill.

2. Trying to make the claim that this word is completely innocuous, is very unbelievable unless we are to assume you are typing this from a wormhole into the past before this entered mainstream vocabulary.

3. If you were attempting to use the term in a more clinical fashion, you've completely failed to apply it correctly.

Re:20 Reasons We Know the Earth Is Spherical by posterboy on Friday June 15, 2018 @04:25AM (#17318299)
>Trying to make the claim that this word is completely innocuous

This is where it becomes obvious that you think that mentally ill -- the way you used it -- was completely innocuous, objectively true. Hence I might as well, by your own standards, call you a moron, or at least mentally ill, until the opposite is proven. That is, you might indeed be a Psychologist, and not an impostor, but otherwise your use of the term in a more clinical fashion is likewise incorrectly applied, very very likely. Sure this discussion is a waste of your time, if you are an idiot who doesn't understand "these people". PS: This is fun, blaming other people for their faults,not very helpful, but certainly fun getting a sense of superiority. I'm sure you are trying to say the right thing, but between lack of qualification and even contradicting yourself, you didn't, I'm sorry.