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Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by mirimir on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:46PM (#17309129)
> FDE is the norm for desktop/laptop users, we're well beyond that in the GNU/Linux world.

Huh? The norm? For what sorts of users?

I mean, that's best practice, sure. But hardly the norm. Even, I bet, among HN users.

Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by conradev on Thursday June 14, 2018 @12:20AM (#17309256)
Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by logifail on Thursday June 14, 2018 @02:17AM (#17309697)
It's certainly not "on by default" for all Windows users, twice in the last month I've broken into machines for clients where users forgot their password, both times using nothing more than a USB stick (then replacing utilman.exe with cmd.exe)

Both boxes had fairly recent hardware and were running Windows 10 Pro.

Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by kchr on Thursday June 14, 2018 @03:27AM (#17309998)
So maybe those two users opted out of FDE, or had company requirements that told them to.
Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by logifail on Thursday June 14, 2018 @03:53AM (#17310115)
They didn't opt out of FDE and there are no company policies/requirements either.

I have three laptops on my desk right now, one HP Probook and two different Lenovo Ideapads. All three are running Windows 10 Enterprise (2x LTSB 2016, 1x 1803).

NONE of them have FDE enabled or have ever asked asked me about it.

Given the bold claim "[FDE is] on by default for (...) Windows users" - without mention of caveats re: login account types, domain memberships, or hardware requirements - it seems the counterexamples just keep coming.

Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by Buge on Sunday June 17, 2018 @11:07PM (#17335754)
It's only on by default in windows if your computer has a TPM, is instantGo compatible, and has a microsoft.com account. I don't think this combination is very prevalent.
Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by newnewpdro on Thursday June 14, 2018 @01:05PM (#17313190)
It's the norm for GNU/Linux users who run it on the bare metal of their laptops, in my experience. I haven't seen a laptop boot a linux distro without a LUKS passphrase prompt in years.

I can't say the same for Windows and Mac users.

Last two employers recommended FDE but made no strict requirements because apparently it was non-trivial for non-Linux users.

It's a no-brainer feature for any sufficiently fast portable device. If the installer supports it why would you disable it? I haven't had to worry about the data on my laptops should they be stolen for what must be over a decade now, GNU/Linux has supported it that long.

Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by mirimir on Thursday June 14, 2018 @08:32PM (#17316538)
OK, I'm impressed. But I think that we've been talking past each other. When you say it's the norm, you mean among your peers, right? Technical people. Start up, enterprise, etc.

Me, I've been talking about PC users, generally. Not just Linux, and not just technical people. Sadly enough, I doubt that FDE is very common, let alone the norm.

And even worse, for many it'd likely be a curse. Inexperienced people don't do well at keeping track of complex passphrases, keys and so on. I've seen that over the years in forums where people plead for help to access TrueCrypt volumes. After losing passphrases, accidentally formatting, and so on.

Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by newnewpdro on Saturday June 16, 2018 @01:56AM (#17326099)
The context of this thread was Linux and being able to circumvent the boot process via something like init=/bin/sh in the boot parameters. Someone pointed out that strategy doesn't really work with FDE, which was challenged as being uncommon.

I am only speaking to the prevalence of FDE among Linux users; it's not uncommon.

You're correct in that these are technical people. Most people running a GNU/Linux distro on bare-metal in their possession are at least somewhat technical, wouldn't you agree?