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Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by bb88 on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:28PM (#17308780)
I don't mean to be a jerk here by constantly raising counter examples because I think you have some good points. But apps like Signal prevent all that data from being collected. It just stays on the phone, locked by the secure enclave.

> Perhaps law enforcement is angry...

I wonder if what they're truly feeling is worried. Would that change the way you thought about them?

I get that whole thing with "COINTELPRO", and Watergate where there were abuses. But assuming everyone is of the honest type here, wouldn't you want them to have more tools?

Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by philipkglass on Thursday June 14, 2018 @01:22AM (#17309499)
I wonder if what they're truly feeling is worried. Would that change the way you thought about them?

I want to see the evidence that forms the basis for their worry, if they're feeling worried. Sincere feeling is better than pretending, but sincere feeling isn't enough.

The most compelling evidence would show:

- A statistically significant decline in solving violent crimes or serious property crimes now over the 1990s.

- A statistically significant increase in solving these serious crimes among police departments with access to phone-unlocking (e.g. GrayKey devices) vs. otherwise-comparable police departments without access to such devices.

If nothing regarding smartphones shows a statistically significant correlation to serious crime solution rate, then everyone will just go with their gut feelings. The gut feeling of police is, apparently, that they need to be able to look at the contents of phones. My gut feeling is that they don't. It's an impasse.

If serious crimes are solved at a higher rate in departments with phone-unlocking capabilities, but the rate in the departments without unlocking tech is still no worse than in the 1990s, I still would resist weakening phone protections. It would make me think that maybe things have become harder since 2008, when phones were widespread and insecure, but that secure phones aren't a notable hazard to public safety.

If it turns out that departments with phone-unlocking tech are doing significantly better than departments without it, and that departments without it are now solving crimes of violence and serious property crimes at a lower rate than in the late 20th century, I'd have to have a long, hard think about my personal stance on this issue. There would still be gnarly technical issues even if I decided that less secure phones were a net benefit to society.

But I have changed my stance on security issues before. For example, I changed my mind about video surveillance of public streets. I find it more reassuring than dystopian. I'm more worried about hit-and-run drivers than about the cameras being used by a future dictatorship against the resistance. I've yet to be convinced that monitoring should extend to private spaces like my domicile or phone.

Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by sosborn on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:44PM (#17309120)
It’s not about honesty here, it’s about honesty in law enforcement/government.