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Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by slg on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @05:41PM (#17307230)
I see this line of thinking a lot in tech circles, but you really have to divorce this issue from the digital world. Imagine the exact same argument is about a safe instead of a phone. The government would simply request a warrant and then work on brute forcing their way into the safe.

If you have the same objections when using a safe, the answer to the problem has nothing to do with technology because you believer there is a fundamental flaw in the US criminal justice system. You aren't going to be able to consistently defeat the government by repeatedly trying to outpace them technologically. You have to instead change the laws that govern their actions.

If you think the rules should be different for a safe and a phone, you need to be able to explain why digital evidence should be treated differently than physical evidence?

Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by Borealid on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @05:49PM (#17307286)
The government is allowed to crack open a safe with a warrant. The government is allowed to crack open an iPhone with a warrant.

What does either of those things have to do with decrypting things found inside either the safe or the iPhone?

If the FBI found coded papers inside a safe, they could try to decrypt those papers, but couldn't compel the owner to assist them.

Security flaws are fair game for law enforcement. Secure encryption without exploitable weaknesses will probably defeat them even in the presence of a court order.

Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by Bizarro on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @05:54PM (#17307319)
I consider the analogy to be does a manufacturer have a legal obligation to not make a safe that can't be broken into by the government?
Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by robbiep on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @05:49PM (#17307289)
Compare and contrast the different levels of effort required to gain access to a safe VS a persons iPhone prior to this data update.

Authourities must first gain access to premises with a warrant and then get a safe cracker in.

VS: authourities (at an airport or just about anywhere) take the phone off the person, there is a layer of obsfucation as to whether a warrant has been obtained or is needed, and data is collected.

If you look at the history of digital data (ie echelon etc) there is a clear trend for vast data hovering of all and any resources. This is not possible with physical data, as it leaves behind a more concrete trail when authorities go after it, and causes them to (generally) be more selective about what they are doing

Re:Apple to Close iPhone Security Hole That Police Use to Cr... by wool_gather on Thursday June 14, 2018 @01:59PM (#17313777)
Absolutely. Breaking a physical safe and breaking encryption don't differ in the _kind_ of hoop you're jumping, just the height you have to clear. But the encryption hoop is (almost) infinitely high, and that leads people to think about it as if it were another sort of thing entirely.