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Re:Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast by rayiner on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @04:09PM (#17306502)
The question is not what is best, but how much competition do you need to beat a government-run service? Here in D.C., with Uber/Lyft versus Metro, that number is just two. Indeed, even a giant national monopoly is probably better than your typical government service. Even Windows 95 was better than most of the public services in D.C.
Re:Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast by wpietri on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @05:26PM (#17307101)
Depends on the government, I suppose. And your criteria for comparison.

Broadband in particular is very infrastructure-ish. It's much more like a water utility or traffic lights than a service business like on-demand personal drivers. Many governments run infrastructure quite well.

Re:Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast by rayiner on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @06:09PM (#17307427)
What infrastructure is broadband most like? The water utility that's poisoning people with lead: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dcs-decade-old-problem-.... The sewer utility that's dumping raw sewage into the local river: https://wtop.com/dc/2017/07/heavy-rain-raw-sewage-potomac-an.... Or the subway infrastructure that constantly catches fire? https://www.arlnow.com/2018/01/22/developing-track-fire-at-p....

I've lived in several major cities: Baltimore, D.C., New York, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Chicago. Out of those, I might trust Chicago to run municipal broadband. For the others, I'd pick Comcast any day of the week.

Re:Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast by wpietri on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @08:49PM (#17308355)
Ok. I've lived in Grand Rapids, Chicago, Sydney, London, and San Francisco. I'd trust all of them except maybe Chicago. People have different opinions and different experiences.

Turning toward actual data, in general, the US's water quality is good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_water_quality_in_the_...

In the US most water systems are run by local governments, and generally it works out fine.

Re:Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast by rayiner on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @09:34PM (#17308569)
You’d trust the people who run BART and CalTrain with your broadband? BART’s on time performance is 87% arriving within 5 minutes of schedule for all trains. In a place that basically has no weather. In Chicago, 83% of trains arrive within a minute of schedule during rush periods.
Re:Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast by wpietri on Thursday June 14, 2018 @12:38PM (#17312940)
Neither BART nor Caltrain is run by the city of San Francisco. And I think broadband is much easier to run than an overloaded, underfunded transport system.

If you're going to keep setting up straw men, could you make them more relevant? Thanks.

Re:Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast by bmelton on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @07:09PM (#17307814)
Not that I disagree with your premise, but as someone who's never livd in America's most corrupt city, what is it about Chicago that inspires so much confidence with regard to municipal broadband?
Re:Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast by rayiner on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @09:23PM (#17308515)
Midwestern sensibility? DC Metro defines “on time” during the am rush as headway + 2 minutes, so a train can be 10 minutes late and still “on time.” Even then it hits only 87%. In Chicago, 83% of L trains arrive within a minute of schedule. And Chicago is dealing with a hundred year old system and tons of snow, while DC’s system dates to the 1970s and the climate is mild.
Re:Netflix and Alphabet will need to become ISPs, fast by bmelton on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @09:34PM (#17308565)
Thanks for the explanation.

Like I said, I know very little about the region. While I certainly laud WMATA for upgrading the cars, I definitely agree that service quality is declining enough that if I need to be in DC for something promptly, I'll usually leave 30 minutes early, and then wonder why I didn't just drive in the first place.