Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute with Greece

Re:Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute... by dgut on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @06:07PM (#17298519)

It's irrelevant what Washington or anybody else said. The common name for the North and South American landmasses is America (note: not Americas). The land between Canada and Mexico has no more rights to that name than the rest of the continent (or continents, depending on what model you prefer).

Abroad, Hollywood has popularized the use of "American" to refer to citizens of the USA. Also, most languages don't have any other way to refer to US citizens because of its odd name. I'm only aware of Spanish "estadounidenses".

It's no different than if the most powerful European country were to call themselves Europeans alone.

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Re:Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute... by russellbeattie on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @11:48PM (#17300087)

The quote isn't irrelevant to the comment I was responding to, it was an example of its usage hundreds of years ago, loooong before Hollywood. Like I said above, it's a historical artifact, not some brazen attempt at linguistic hegemony.

(Sorry, but the Americas is what the continents are called normally - in English at least - did you just make up a new rule? There's even a Wikipedia entry: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas)

Regardless, the name for Americans isn't changing any time soon, so I wouldn't get worked up about it. Besides, we are Americans in the most pedantic use of the term - if the Canadians, Mexicans and anyone else in this hemisphere wants to call themselves Americans too, they can go right ahead. They'll just seem petty and silly though.

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Re:Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute... by dgut on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:04AM (#17303744)

Its usage hundreds of years ago inside the US, yes. That's a pretty irrelevant argument for the rest of the remaining countries that are part of America, isn't it?

No, the continent(s) have traditionally been called America. A look at Google Ngram Viewer shows that Americas has hardly been used. It's a recent phenomenon, probably a result of the US hijacking "America". Even I feel sometimes compelled to call it "Americas" in Europe because it has become a given that US=America.

Not sure about the literature of the US, but in Latin American literature, writers have generally referred to the continent(s) as America, e.g http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/marti/America.htm

The original map by Waldseemüller has "America" written on it: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Wa...

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Re:Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute... by mc32 on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @12:02AM (#17300147)

The western hemisphere is the Americas because it's composed of two continents, The North and South American Continents. IIRC from foreign language courses even in Latin American countries they are called 'The Americas'.

To me it's similar to the demonym 'New Yorker'. Is that someone from Buffalo, Schenectady, etc., New York or from the five boroughs or from the county of New York, ie, Manhattan?

What about Netherlander instead of Dutch since it's a corruption of Deutsch. We could go on about makes sense and what doesn't.

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Re:Macedonia Agrees to Change Its Name to End Bitter Dispute... by cafard on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:41AM (#17304121)

It may be irrelevant what anybody said, but it is not irrelevant what lots and lots of people said. For large chunks of the world, "Americans" meant "citizens or residents of the United States of America", long before Hollywood took its first reel of film.

> It's no different than if the most powerful European country were to call themselves Europeans alone.

Assuming always that it had established itself as the Federal Republic of Europe or some such before anybody else claimed the name.

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