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Re:The Repeal of Net Neutrality Is Official by sonnyblarney on Monday June 11, 2018 @11:09AM (#17284892)
" I pay based on consumption alone, as it should be. Why do you think Internet access needs to be treated any differently?"

I didn't.

You are saying what I am saying: You pay for 'Quality of Water Service'.

What if you need 5x the flow that the water company normally provides?

What if you needed, for medical purposes 'unflourinated' water (whereas all of their other customers use flourinated).

With water:

+ If you want more water monthly - you pay for that. + If you want higher water pressure - you pay for that. + If you want different kinds of water (hard, soft) you pay for that.

That's 'Water Neutrality'.

What you do not pay for is a higher rate because you're a hospital. Or because you are wealthy and the water company knows they can scam you.

If you do not allow the water company to charge for 'high pressure' or 'hard / soft' water types - then they cannot justify in the investment and no such services will exist

As for networks:

+ If you want a dumb pipe, you pay for that. + If you want a faster pipe, you pay for that. + If you want more data, you pay for that. + If you want higher service level guarantees - you pay for that.

It's like buying AWS, or a new computer, or whatever.

What you should not have to pay for is: $X for Netflix data and $Y for HBO data. Or $X for Facebook and $Y for Linked in data. That's raw price discrimination and it's a problem.

Internet providers have massive equipment and support costs to support streaming video, so if you want amazing streaming at 4K super high quality, well, they can provide that if you're willing to pay. But - they should charge the same irrespective of content (i.e. HBO, Netflix etc)

Re:The Repeal of Net Neutrality Is Official by pjc50 on Monday June 11, 2018 @11:56AM (#17285341)
> Internet providers have massive equipment and support costs to support streaming video

Do they though? Over and above just providing a link with a sufficient bandwidth and contention ratio?

Re:The Repeal of Net Neutrality Is Official by sonnyblarney on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:02PM (#17285397)
"Do they though?"

It doesn't matter.

Apple can charge you whatever it wants for it's iPhone. You can pay or not.

ISP's can charge you whatever they want for whatever QoS. You can pay or not. That's Network Neutrality.

What they cannot do under NN, is charge you based on who you are, or based on what you use your service for. So, charging you for Netflix usage, vs HBO usage is totally out of bounds.

If they sell you a 'streaming service' with whatever QoS - you should be able to it for whatever on earth you want.

My point is: there is usually an underlying cost-based reality to most of these things, and some of the people on this thread are not actually arguing for 'Net Neutrality' - they are arguing for 'ISP's should only be allowed to bill me in a very, specific narrow way, by law, irrespective of what consumer needs are or what their costs are'.

Re:The Repeal of Net Neutrality Is Official by pjc50 on Monday June 11, 2018 @12:46PM (#17285955)
You've not answered if ISPs are/should be allowed to intentionally degrade traffic deemed to be "video" or "peer to peer", by shaping algorithm or packet inspection, in order to make their service unusable for that purpose unless you buy an upgrade.
Re:The Repeal of Net Neutrality Is Official by sonnyblarney on Monday June 11, 2018 @01:29PM (#17286458)
NN is clear: you sell QoS, not based on what that service is used for.

So if you buy a QoS from an ISP, they can't throttle you if it's for P2P or for Netlflix or HBO or whatever. That would be against NN and of course outside the bounds of any normal QoS.

It's just like buying form AWS: you pick from any number of configurations, but AWS can't charge you if you are doing 'gaming' vs 'news' on your hosted service. Amazon doesn't bill you based on what you are doing, just how you use the service.

That's NN.

So, under NN, ISP's can definitely sell you a 'low latency' service, as long as customers want that.