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Re:On paying for software by Torwald on Sunday June 10, 2018 @10:35AM (#17278294)
> Copying data is a fundamental operation that all computers are able to perform and it costs nothing.

That is not true. Running, maintaining, etc the IT infrastructure is costing money, electricity etc. It doesn't come for free.

Re:On paying for software by ttoinou on Sunday June 10, 2018 @11:37AM (#17278593)
Marginal and transaction costs are very low.

But you are right on the principle : storing, copying and transferring data always costs energy (in physics, temperature, energy and change of entropy are linked together)

Re:On paying for software by Torwald on Sunday June 10, 2018 @12:00PM (#17278700)
OK, maybe you still have a point. What then, would be the threshold for saying: now, at this point, the costs of X are not marginal anymore but substantial enough to be taken into account?
Re:On paying for software by matheusmoreira on Sunday June 10, 2018 @12:15PM (#17278779)
According to Wikipedia, the best selling video game is Tetris: it has sold approximately 170 000 000¹ copies. If copying Tetris takes 1 second, the computer draws 400 W of power and electricity is rated at 30 cents/kWh, it would cost approximately $5667 to create 170 million copies of Tetris.

¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_gam...

Re:On paying for software by ttoinou on Sunday June 10, 2018 @12:54PM (#17278942)
Depends on what you are thinking about ? Such cost always need to be taken into account, but IMHO in general we must always differentiate material things (that are formed from matter and its organization) and information (i.e. concept of entropy, ideas, thoughts, songs, language, jokes etc..) which have temporary physical supports but exists apart from them
Re:On paying for software by Torwald on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:56PM (#17280388)
Good distinction, I agree. This leads me to this: If, for example a song, is not written down anywhere, but some brains contain it, this means there some people who could reproduce this song by singing it, this song would still exist. Is a brain a temporal physical support unit in our sense?
Re:On paying for software by ttoinou on Sunday June 10, 2018 @06:06PM (#17280434)
Yes of course. As long as we have electricity in our brains we can store and process information. The very precise implementation of this would require to study biology (it's already interesting to see that we run on electricity like computers!).
Re:On paying for software by Torwald on Sunday June 10, 2018 @07:03PM (#17280637)
Ok, cool, now, how is the number eight, for instance. Does it exist only because human brains have it in it? Or do numbers exist in the universe outside our brains? Can we answer this? This would be an important step in IP rights and all that…
Re:On paying for software by ttoinou on Monday June 11, 2018 @05:05AM (#17282845)
It's a whole philosophical question...I would say yes maths and humans abstractions exist independently !
Re:On paying for software by dragonwriter on Sunday June 10, 2018 @12:19PM (#17278793)
“Marginal costs” are the additional cost for each additional unit delivered. They can be high or low, but with modern, non-custom software they tend to be extremely low.
Re:On paying for software by matheusmoreira on Sunday June 10, 2018 @11:35AM (#17278577)
Suppose that a copy takes 1 second to complete and the computer's power supply unit draws 400 W of power during that 1 second. How much does it cost to complete that copy? Hawaii has the most expensive electricity¹ in the United States, averaging at 29.23 cents / kW * h. Let's use 30 cents / kW * h.

If we have 400 W sustained for one second, that equals 0.000111111111 kW * h. (400 Watt * second) * (30 cents / kWh) = 3.33333333 × 10^-5 U.S. dollars. In Hawaii, that one copy would cost $0.0000333333. If one were to make 100 000 copies of that same data, it would cost $3.33333333.

¹ https://www.electricchoice.com/electricity-prices-by-state/

Re:On paying for software by rootlocus on Sunday June 10, 2018 @11:57AM (#17278687)
This is a very large strawman you've constructed.
Re:On paying for software by matheusmoreira on Sunday June 10, 2018 @12:01PM (#17278704)
Please explain what the problem with what I wrote is.